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Apr 22, 2021 09:28:04   #
Able Man Loc: North Coast (Cleveland, Ohio)
 
Able Man wrote:
I'm wondering (this is for any of you engineers out there) if a man would start with a vehicle of whatever sort suits his needs, then incorporate a multi fuel diesel-electrc power-plant (like trains do); if THAT might not prove more efficient than straight gas or straight diesel.


This was my original post here... What I guess I was wondering about, is IF it's even "plausible" to generate enough electricity ("under the hood") to operate your motor vehicle 100% on electricity... Not chosing between: ¿Should I burn diesel, or use electricity? BUT; Always using BOTH.

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Apr 22, 2021 13:16:29   #
Ugly fish Loc: W Penn
 
ricky risteen wrote:
Electric cars are not the answer. They are not truly Green. The batteries are the problem. They also are very dangerous from fire. If you get in a crash the car can become electrified. Just getting out of it is very dangerous. There needs to be a better safer way to do this. Hydrogen, there are no bad effects from it. Water vapor out the exhaust pipe. The Ricky Sitka


Remember the Hindenburg! It was hydrogen powered.

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Apr 22, 2021 15:56:39   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
Ugly fish wrote:
Remember the Hindenburg! It was hydrogen powered.


Hydrogen is a great fuel. The Fossil Fuel Industry has hindered anything but Fossil Fuels all along. The new Electric Car craze by big auto companies must have grants or something driving the bus. People have been murdered over this topic. It’s no secret the Fossil Fuel Industry doesn’t want alternatives to their money maker for themselves.

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Apr 22, 2021 23:09:56   #
Kerry Hansen Loc: Bremerton, WA
 
Ronniejw wrote:
A different perspective than the one pushed by the Greens and Politicians generally!!

How will highways be maintained?? Each state and the Federal Government levies taxes on gasoline and petroleum products!!

Interesting Take on Electric Cars

As an engineer I love the electric vehicle technology However, I have been troubled for a longtime by the fact that the electrical energy to keep the batteries charged has to come from the grid and that means more power generation and a huge increase in the distribution infrastructure.

Whether generated from coal, gas, oil, wind or sun, installed generation capacity is limited. A friend sent me the following that says it very well. You should all take a look at this short article.

IF ELECTRIC CARS DO NOT USE GASOLINE, THEY WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN PAYING A GASOLINE TAX ON EVERY GALLON THAT IS SOLD FOR AUTOMOBILES, WHICH WAS ENACTED SOME YEARS AGO TO HELP TO MAINTAIN OUR ROADS AND BRIDGES. THEY WILL USE THE ROADS, BUT WILL NOT PAY FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE!

In case you were thinking of buying hybrid or an electric car:
Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it. This is the first article I've ever seen and tells the story pretty much as I expected it to.

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet they're being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious.

If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our
residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are
eco-friendly, just read the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It's enlightening.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran
on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.
$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery.

Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So the Canadian Government wants loyal Canadians not to do the math, but simply pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.
A different perspective than the one pushed by the... (show quote)



Ah the good old electric car and the wonderful people who are pushing the idea. They have it all figured out, or do they? As we embark on the slow march to WW3, what do you think is going to happen when the enemy uses EMP or computers to shut down the power grid? Do you remember just months ago about the power shut down in, was it northern California and the people that died because of it AND we weren't even at war? Is anybody thinking about the uncertain future in this world and what will happen if the electric power is stopped? Well most sizable hospitals have generators. But what are you going to use for cars and other automobile types. Reminds me of something I wrote a number of years ago in jest where we all drove non petroleum powered cars where we had them covered in Solar Panels with a wind mill on top so when we drove the mills would also generate electricity along with the solar panels so in jest we almost have a perpetual motion machine. The problems were that at night the solar panels don't work and we had to exit the freeway at every overpass until the old ones were replaced by much higher ones and finally it would get awful tiring to have to stop whenever there was a good breeze and turn your car to face the wind to allow the windmill to charge your battery. Can you imagine all cars on a freeway stopped and facing into the wind, funny picture to me. I see these exercise machines advertized that shows some old codger sitting in his easy chair with this small machine that has two bicycle peddles on it and the guy is peddling away to exercise, we could have one of those, but a generator so as he drove, he could be charging the car battery by pumping away on it while driving! What else could we add to this car?

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Apr 23, 2021 00:52:38   #
Dakoda Loc: Cle Elum, WA
 
On top of all that, consider all the nut jobs that are pushing to tear down dams to save salmon. It’s already happening in Washington. Consider the recent event in Texas, I’d say we’re already in trouble. Guess who wants to build nuclear plants to solve the problem.

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Apr 23, 2021 01:12:48   #
Barnacles Loc: Northern California
 
There would be enough energy for us all...
There would be enough land for us all...
There would be enough water for us all...
Carbon emissions would be less and the Earth could handle it...

...if there weren't so many of us.

When I leave this world, I fear that I'll be replaced by twenty. Can the Earth support them all?

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Apr 23, 2021 08:16:52   #
Able Man Loc: North Coast (Cleveland, Ohio)
 
I don't know... Not one of you guys have suggested the OBVIOUS ...

¡¡A Fred Flintstone car!!

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Apr 23, 2021 13:00:38   #
Barnacles Loc: Northern California
 
SSSSSHH! The politicians might hear you!

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Apr 23, 2021 21:56:03   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
Able Man wrote:
I don't know... Not one of you guys have suggested the OBVIOUS ...

¡¡A Fred Flintstone car!!


I see them quite often. They aren’t 4 wheelers or 2 big cylinders of rock like Fred had. Now they have a few wheels they used to be just powered by your feet. Now they are electric too and no license on the thing or in the punks wallet. They look like 🛴 scooters they are everywhere now and when I was young it was illegal to operate anything except a bicycle without license on vehicle and in wallet.

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Apr 23, 2021 21:56:17   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
🛴🛴🛴

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Apr 23, 2021 22:24:54   #
audigger53 Loc: Severn, MD
 
A friend of mine (Ham operator and Computer Tech) has a Hybrid car. He had to replace all the resistors on the "Battery" on his older Hybrid. It was do that or spend $3000 for a new battery pack. That's a Hybrid. On a total Electric car IMO for "in City" they should be OK but not for Trips. For those that live in Texas, I-10 is over 800 miles from Houston to El Paso. Think one end to the other, East West, is actually 1000 miles. So I am starting to believe it is more for Population control of the people in the US. Like when North wanted to everyone to have "papers" to cross from one State into another. Back when "Tricky Dick" was President. The Auto Companies want it so they can beat the Gas used per Mile Standards the Gov. put out for them to meet. That is also why they started using more plastic on the cars than Steel and the Aluminum Pickup truck beds on the Ford pickups. less weight, more mileage per gallon. Again IMO This will most likely put it in the Attic.

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Apr 24, 2021 00:24:52   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
audigger53 wrote:
A friend of mine (Ham operator and Computer Tech) has a Hybrid car. He had to replace all the resistors on the "Battery" on his older Hybrid. It was do that or spend $3000 for a new battery pack. That's a Hybrid. On a total Electric car IMO for "in City" they should be OK but not for Trips. For those that live in Texas, I-10 is over 800 miles from Houston to El Paso. Think one end to the other, East West, is actually 1000 miles. So I am starting to believe it is more for Population control of the people in the US. Like when North wanted to everyone to have "papers" to cross from one State into another. Back when "Tricky Dick" was President. The Auto Companies want it so they can beat the Gas used per Mile Standards the Gov. put out for them to meet. That is also why they started using more plastic on the cars than Steel and the Aluminum Pickup truck beds on the Ford pickups. less weight, more mileage per gallon. Again IMO This will most likely put it in the Attic.
A friend of mine (Ham operator and Computer Tech) ... (show quote)



We considered a Hybrid in 2014 but I was Leary if the batteries and warranty etc. I didn’t think the 10 year warranty on batteries was legit. I was wrong. In Oregon and few other states the 10 year warranty on the batteries must be honored here in Oregon. Wife is happy with the Gas powered Corolla S we purchased but I did it because I unknowingly thought the warranty for 10 years on batteries would NOT of been honored.

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Apr 24, 2021 08:40:14   #
Able Man Loc: North Coast (Cleveland, Ohio)
 
Jeremy wrote:
I see them quite often. They aren’t 4 wheelers or 2 big cylinders of rock like Fred had. Now they have a few wheels they used to be just powered by your feet. Now they are electric too and no license on the thing or in the punks wallet. They look like 🛴 scooters they are everywhere now and when I was young it was illegal to operate anything except a bicycle without license on vehicle and in wallet.


SHOOT, Jeremy; the little town I lived in during High School required a license plate ON THE BICYCLE!! (Taxachussetts).

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Apr 24, 2021 12:31:54   #
Barnacles Loc: Northern California
 
Jeremy wrote:
We considered a Hybrid in 2014 but I was Leary if the batteries and warranty etc. I didn’t think the 10 year warranty on batteries was legit. I was wrong. In Oregon and few other states the 10 year warranty on the batteries must be honored here in Oregon. Wife is happy with the Gas powered Corolla S we purchased but I did it because I unknowingly thought the warranty for 10 years on batteries would NOT of been honored.


Even with the state law requiring a 10 year warranty, the car companies are just like most - they'll weasel out of honoring the warranty if they can find any excuse. Something like "The car's computer shows that you used the quick charge instead of the overnight charge rate more than 35 times, as spelled out in the microprint section of the owners manual...."

I've had the warranty honored very well by some retailers (a tip of the hat to Craftsman tools and Zippo lighters), but I've had a lot of sellers weasel out of it (a thumb of the nose to Pirelli tires and many others). That would really hurt with a big ticket item like a car's lithium battery.

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Apr 24, 2021 12:37:30   #
audigger53 Loc: Severn, MD
 
Barnacles wrote:
Even with the state law requiring a 10 year warranty, the car companies are just like most - they'll weasel out of honoring the warranty if they can find any excuse. Something like "The car's computer shows that you used the quick charge instead of the overnight charge rate more than 35 times, as spelled out in the microprint section of the owners manual...."

I've had the warranty honored very well by some retailers (a tip of the hat to Craftsman tools and Zippo lighters), but I've had a lot of sellers weasel out of it (a thumb of the nose to Pirelli tires and many others). That would really hurt with a big ticket item like a car's lithium battery.
Even with the state law requiring a 10 year warran... (show quote)


And Buck Knives are good to Honor their Life Time Warranty.

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