Been waiting for our local waters to warm up and get some time off of work and my must do list, to drop some traps in our water around here!

Mud

I've got a Hi Point Carbine in .45, rather rude & crude, but it is a BLAST! Very reliable and accurate, lots of fun.

I handle the Hi Point handguns at work, very hard to like them, whatsoever, though.

The Red Ball magazines are good stuff!

The triggers are marginal to horrible, my need to have the corners sanded off and I need to do a trigger job on it, they all do.

They are a challenge to tear down, watch some videos on it, before attempting it, very helpful.

The companies support is first class, second to none.

Mud

There is NO grandfather clause, pertaining to the ownership of full autos. The ownership requirements have remained the same since 1934.

The only grandfathering deals with "t***sferable" machine-guns.

The Hugh's amendment to the FOPA of 1986, prohibited the manufacture of any new machine-guns which are t***sferable to the public. Any ones manufactured after May 1986 (commonly referred to as dealer samples or DS for short), may only be t***sferred to Law Enforce Agencies, or the proper Class and SOT FFls.

A copy of my response to a previous reply to this thread is attached below.

Mud

Not so, I've owned several full autos and although I have had a couple of FFLs, I never had any of the ones dealing with full auto.

There is a LOT of mis and wrong information about them.

The actual facts:
NO license is required to own a full auto.
There is NO annual fee, involved in the ownership of anything full auto.
What IS required is, a Form 4 (which include(s)(d) a statement from the CLEO in your jurisdiction),two sets of fingerprints AND a $200.00 t***sfer tax must be submitted to the ATF. The prints are forwarded to the FBI.
A VERY thorough background check is run.
The firearm can NOT be t***sferred until the ATF approves the t***sfer, at which time both the seller and buyer are sent copies of the approval.
Once the approval is granted, the t***sfer MUST take place at the earliest opportunity, as the seller is NO longer the "legal" owner.
Most sellers require payment at the time of sale, NOT the time of t***sfer, which precludes "tire kickers".

Not so, I've owned several full autos and although I have had a couple of FFLs, I never had any of the ones dealing with full auto.

There is a LOT of mis and wrong information about them.

The actual facts:
NO license is required to own a full auto.
There is NO annual fee, involved in the ownership of anything full auto.
What IS required is, a Form 4 (which include(s)(d) a statement from the CLEO in your jurisdiction),two sets of fingerprints AND a $200.00 t***sfer tax must be submitted to the ATF. The prints are forwarded to the FBI.
A VERY thorough background check is run.
The firearm can NOT be t***sferred until the ATF approves the t***sfer, at which time both the seller and buyer are sent copies of the approval.
Once the approval is granted, the t***sfer MUST take place at the earliest opportunity, as the seller is NO longer the "legal" owner.
Most sellers require payment at the time of sale, NOT the time of t***sfer, which precludes "tire kickers".

The $200.00 "t***sfer" tax, is a TAX, which is paid to the government EACH and EVERY time, a full auto firearm, is t***sferred. As a example:
You own a full auto and I wish to purchase it (YES full auto sales are permitted between individuals), I pay you your price, I send the ATF (the government) the $200.00 t***sfer tax, when the sale is approved you MUST t***sfer ownership of the auto, to me.
In a few years, you develop seller's remorse and wish to buy the gun back, the VERY SAME gun that you already owned.
You pay me, my price. You submit a form 4, fingerprints and another $200.00 T***SFER TAX. Same wait, approval and procedure.
A few more years go by, you now end up on hard financial times and I am anxious to buy the gun again, this is the same EXACT gun, that we have BOTH already owned, same procedure and another $200.00 to the government!
It's ONE time tax/fee, per EACH t***sfer, no license, you actually receive a tax stamp, and no annual or other fee.

That sounds very much like the Late Mike Dillon, the inventor of the "modern" progressive reloading presses.

Mike lived in Arizona, had MANY FULL autos, including a GE Minigun. Mike was also an accomplished pilot, a truly remarkable man.

Mud

TOO!

Lets go for a "Royal Flush", flush ALL OF THE ROYALS (which is how many of them think of themselves!)!!

Steve,

If you're concerned about that, you are in a LOT of company, which includes my wife and my mother.

They've questioned and worried about that, for many years!

Mud

NoCal Steve]Mud... I'm greatly concerned for your psychiatric health if you are missing those jokes!

Is it just me, or has someone been slacking? I've been missing my "joke of the day" fix!

Howdy Larry,
Welcome from another Hoosier.
Mudbugger, AKA Butch

Well Fly,
I don't know where you find these corny jokes, but I'm looking forward to another whole year of them!
Keep up the good work, and have a Safe, Happy and Prosperous New Year.
Mud

Rick,
I wasn't thinking so much about toxicity as I was purging/cleaning and flavor.

Mud

That depends on the location. Easy but private access, theft and vandalism isn't near as much of a problem.

How you "attach" them is another consideration. I have ropes and floats, with my ID on them, they can be tossed out and retrieved by either a hook or wading.

As inconspicuous as possible, makes them less of a target.

As far as reasonable time, I would say, no longer than 24 hours between setting and resetting. In a good area, you may be out of bait and depending upon your trap, they could be raided by natural predators.

Mud

Good cover, they are at the bottom of the food chain. Every thing, including ME, likes eating them.

Clean water, is an big advantage, it doesn't need to be "drinking quality" but the cleaner, shorter and easier the "purge" time.

Those are a couple of considerations, as well as access, either boat or shore.

Mud

I've heard of Rance's, in fact a friend of mine uses them, but I never have.
I'm not sure of any pay lakes. There are Niona and South Mud Lakes, both are built up around, but they both have public access sites.
In Rochester, there is Lake Manitou, again public access.
Close to me is Fletcher's Lake, quite small, lots of hiding places for craws, public access there also.
Any of them should be goo shots, I did drop a trap at Rochester, until a broken prop put an abrupt end to our outing.
We also have Mississinewa and Salamonie reservoirs, both of which require boats to access any likely spots.
I will try to get information on the Rance location, if I can remember.