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Dec 21, 2021 23:06:44   #
Shutupandfish Loc: Transplanted roots back to Wyoming
 
Spiritof27 wrote:
Trump takes credit for it. I don't give him credit for it. I've read statements by defense personnel that say it would have happened even if Hillary had been president. POTUS had just about nothing to do with it. But if Hillary had been president I'm sure she would have taken credit for it just like Trump.


He could have single handedly found the cure for all cancers and have naysayers
But I don’t mind giving anyone the credit they are due…….good or bad.
I’ll believe the company that had to give up the profits easy enough, no reason for them to like it…
Trump only claimed $600 mill savings, ended up $738 mill
From Forbes
Only a week before his e******n, the Pentagon and Lockheed had agreed on terms for building a ninth production lot of F-35s. The Air Force version, representing nearly three-quarters of the domestic production run (more if you count foreign sales), was priced at $102 million each. Trump was convinced he could do better than the Obama administration had done, because he thought he was a better negotiator.

It turns out he was right. In the first production lot that his team negotiated, Lot 10, the price-tag for the Air Force version fell nearly 8% to $94 million. The cost of other variants for the Navy and Marine Corps fell too, cumulatively saving taxpayers $500 million on just that one production lot. Lockheed Martin hadn’t been planning to cut the price that far that fast, but after Trump’s criticism of the program it decided to sharpen its pencils and find savings fast.

I know all this because Lockheed is a contributor to my think tank and a consulting client, so I saw the company’s angst up close as it endured unprecedented pressure from the nation’s chief executive. Trump’s team came back the following year and won further price reductions of 6% on the Air Force version and hefty cuts in the cost of each sea-service version. Those negotiations were led by Secretary Shanahan, but it didn’t take an insider to figure out what guidance he has been given by the president. So the cost of each F-35A (the Air Force version) fell from $102 million in the last Obama negotiation to under $90 million in the second Trump negotiation.

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Dec 22, 2021 01:06:16   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
Spiritof27 wrote:
With plum, we can discuss this later. If it makes you feel any better about it, although I'm not a member of any party, I generally agree with and v**e for Democrats, and I am a retired Navy veteran. 21 years. And I think you are incorrect.


Same here. I am a Democrat from a Military Family. I will guess a few ruined Audigger53 perception of who h**e and who do Not.

I 100% agree love this country or leave it. I have said that for 30+ years. A lot of people have no idea how good they have it here in America. I will always be proud to be an American….where at least IM FREE.

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Dec 22, 2021 01:08:04   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
Spiritof27 wrote:
POTUS has proposed 750 BILLION dollar budget for National Defense for fiscal '22. How's that for hating the military?


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Dec 22, 2021 01:11:07   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
Spiritof27 wrote:
Who decides what portion of that 750 billion dollars goes to military pay? I'd be willing to bet it ain't POTUS, Maybe I'm wrong.


In my opinion it depends on who is the past or current President as far as taking credit for something. You know what I’m talking about. Some are attention whores if it is something good. But if it is something BAD won’t admit they did something.

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Dec 22, 2021 01:13:13   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
Spiritof27 wrote:
Trump takes credit for it. I don't give him credit for it. I've read statements by defense personnel that say it would have happened even if Hillary had been president. POTUS had just about nothing to do with it. But if Hillary had been president I'm sure she would have taken credit for it just like Trump.



YUP just like the v*****es now. But guarantee won’t take heat if anyone says why did my relative die he will run and hide. Just like his rip off college he ran.

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Dec 22, 2021 01:20:08   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
Shutupandfish wrote:
He could have single handedly found the cure for all cancers and have naysayers
But I don’t mind giving anyone the credit they are due…….good or bad.
I’ll believe the company that had to give up the profits easy enough, no reason for them to like it…
Trump only claimed $600 mill savings, ended up $738 mill
From Forbes
Only a week before his e******n, the Pentagon and Lockheed had agreed on terms for building a ninth production lot of F-35s. The Air Force version, representing nearly three-quarters of the domestic production run (more if you count foreign sales), was priced at $102 million each. Trump was convinced he could do better than the Obama administration had done, because he thought he was a better negotiator.

It turns out he was right. In the first production lot that his team negotiated, Lot 10, the price-tag for the Air Force version fell nearly 8% to $94 million. The cost of other variants for the Navy and Marine Corps fell too, cumulatively saving taxpayers $500 million on just that one production lot. Lockheed Martin hadn’t been planning to cut the price that far that fast, but after Trump’s criticism of the program it decided to sharpen its pencils and find savings fast.

I know all this because Lockheed is a contributor to my think tank and a consulting client, so I saw the company’s angst up close as it endured unprecedented pressure from the nation’s chief executive. Trump’s team came back the following year and won further price reductions of 6% on the Air Force version and hefty cuts in the cost of each sea-service version. Those negotiations were led by Secretary Shanahan, but it didn’t take an insider to figure out what guidance he has been given by the president. So the cost of each F-35A (the Air Force version) fell from $102 million in the last Obama negotiation to under $90 million in the second Trump negotiation.
He could have single handedly found the cure for a... (show quote)



Trumps TEAM is not Don the CON himself. It’s a TEAM educated and trained to do just that negotiate? Were any of them the same people from other teams or presidents or did he re appoint everyone for the team. Also ever wonder if some other details also had to do with the price changing? Like costs of some of the materials etc. I’m not saying that’s why but curious actually. Many times politicians will tell us things they think we will believe they did even if other things made it happen. Now Trump as of Today is telling his followers him and his followers are why there is a v*****e. Silly part is a lot of his cult won’t even get a shot. I think they are cray cray.


Thanks for the recent phone call buddy. I hope your enjoying Wyoming

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Dec 22, 2021 05:00:27   #
Shutupandfish Loc: Transplanted roots back to Wyoming
 
Jeremy wrote:
Trumps TEAM is not Don the CON himself. It’s a TEAM educated and trained to do just that negotiate? Were any of them the same people from other teams or presidents or did he re appoint everyone for the team. Also ever wonder if some other details also had to do with the price changing? Like costs of some of the materials etc. I’m not saying that’s why but curious actually. Many times politicians will tell us things they think we will believe they did even if other things made it happen. Now Trump as of Today is telling his followers him and his followers are why there is a v*****e. Silly part is a lot of his cult won’t even get a shot. I think they are cray cray.


Thanks for the recent phone call buddy. I hope your enjoying Wyoming
Trumps TEAM is not Don the CON himself. It’s a TE... (show quote)


Again he could of cured all cancers and have had individuals protesting his discrimination and r****m of cancers all of a sudden: it was called “Trump Derangement Syndrome"

Read the post before replying to it. They say it was trumps pressure
President Donald Trump appointed Shanahan to the role. but it didn’t take an insider to figure out what guidance he has been given by the president. Lockheed Martin hadn’t been planning to cut the price that far that fast, but after Trump’s criticism of the program it decided to sharpen its pencils and find savings fast.

Biden wasn’t president for development of v*****e.
Nearly 16 million doses had been administered by Jan. 20, the day Biden took office. And Biden didn’t buy up all the doses — the Trump administration had purchased 300 million doses of C****-** v*****es from P****r and M*****a in December as part of Operation Warp Speed, weeks before Biden was inaugurated.

In fact it was the democrats that sought to place mistrust in the science of a v*****e

Sept 8th 2020
Democrats are panicked that a c****av***s v*****e will emerge right in time for the e******n, boosting President Trump’s chances.They and their liberal media enablers are scrambling to undermine that prospect by sowing fear and distrust about a v*****e – any v*****e – even before one becomes available.
How heinous is that?
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., in a recent interview with MSNBC, said we don’t want a v*****e “one day sooner than it is ready,” hinting that the rush for a cure might create risks.
She also claimed, without evidence, that the administration had “politically interfered” with the process of creating a v*****e by saying “it should go faster.”

And lastly with no v*****e available Trump had less deaths in 2020 than Biden with one, had in 2021.
Biden admits he shouldn’t remain president
Democratic White House hopeful Joe Biden said Thursday during his final debate with President Donald Trump that presiding over the nation as 220,000 Americans died from the c****av***s should disqualify Trump from re-e******n.
“Anyone who's responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of America," Biden said in the opening remarks of the showdown that comes just 12 days before the e******n.
Nov. 22, 2021 -- The number of C****-** deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020, according to the latest data from Johns Hopkins University. Time to step down……And back relevant to the original post, I know many veterans of my age that never bothered trying to use any V.A. benefits until Trumps reforms.

After more than two years of continuous negotiation and the unrelenting pursuit to fix VA's Choice program and reform the veterans' health system, veterans scored a victory when the long-awaited VA MISSION Act finally was signed by President Donald Trump on Wednesday. And, it's all thanks to MOAA members and veterans who never gave up until the mission was accomplished.
It was such a thrilling and humbling experience to sit on behalf of veterans around the world in the gallery, high atop the prestigious Senate floor, witnessing the historic v**e, especially after working closely with MOAA members and a large group of organizations representing millions of veterans over the years.
The legislation is historic for a number of reasons, the least of which is because it became a law in just a few short weeks. It also represents a major shift in how the VA will deliver care - a system virtually untouched by major t***sformation in more than 25 years

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Dec 22, 2021 08:28:59   #
Frank romero Loc: Clovis, NM
 
Jeremy wrote:
Trumps TEAM is not Don the CON himself. It’s a TEAM educated and trained to do just that negotiate? Were any of them the same people from other teams or presidents or did he re appoint everyone for the team. Also ever wonder if some other details also had to do with the price changing? Like costs of some of the materials etc. I’m not saying that’s why but curious actually. Many times politicians will tell us things they think we will believe they did even if other things made it happen. Now Trump as of Today is telling his followers him and his followers are why there is a v*****e. Silly part is a lot of his cult won’t even get a shot. I think they are cray cray.


Thanks for the recent phone call buddy. I hope your enjoying Wyoming
Trumps TEAM is not Don the CON himself. It’s a TE... (show quote)


Just think about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Lies lies and more lies. I don’t think politicians will ever tell the t***h unless someone is making money.

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Dec 22, 2021 09:51:00   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
Jeremy wrote:
In my opinion it depends on who is the past or current President as far as taking credit for something. You know what I’m talking about. Some are attention whores if it is something good. But if it is something BAD won’t admit they did something.


Very true. We’re seeing that credit being taken where it’s not due and the buck being passed on a daily basis right now.

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Dec 22, 2021 10:50:02   #
Shutupandfish Loc: Transplanted roots back to Wyoming
 
https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2015/02/07/25-quotes-that-show-you-how-much-liberals-h**e-soldiers-like-chris-kyle-n1954002

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Dec 22, 2021 11:52:56   #
smitty Loc: maine
 
spirit
your rite on; dont matter if dem or rep, the crap will land in your lap

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Dec 22, 2021 13:47:28   #
audigger53 Loc: Severn, MD
 
Shutupandfish wrote:
https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2015/02/07/25-quotes-that-show-you-how-much-liberals-h**e-soldiers-like-chris-kyle-n1954002


OK, I read them all. I noticed that all of those are from those that dislike (and I am being nice) those in the military. Did any on them cry out against 9/11? Did any one call out John Kerry for his "Throwing his Medals over the wall". When later it was found out that he didn't throw his medals? That he wanted to be another JFK until he found out that being a "War Hero" wasn't getting v**es for him? BTW That was why he went for Swift Boats in Nam. So much about Kerry that has been forggoten by John Q. Public. And I won't start on Mr. Moore. I was lucky and drove home when I got out, so no one Spit on me at an Airport. No one said "Welcome Home" either. Me and Agent Orange now have 20% Disability. WWII Cans took in the water and then after "Cleaning" it, was used for drinking and washing. I was on one. USS Leary DD879. Code name "Home Run", doing gunfire support for our troops. I still ask Nam Vets when they were there to see if they were some we supported/saved. My Rating was Fire Control Gunnery.

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Dec 22, 2021 14:49:13   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
Frank romero wrote:
Just think about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Lies lies and more lies. I don’t think politicians will ever tell the t***h unless someone is making money.


Exactly.

Completely about making money. Meanwhile our people are getting poisoned and shot.

Go figure. When the Vice President is the CEO of one of the largest Defense Contractors on the planet. Dick Cheney ( lived up to his given name reputation) I wasn’t surprised one bit. The t***h is we have and will always have WOMD.

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Dec 22, 2021 14:59:30   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
Shutupandfish wrote:
Again he could of cured all cancers and have had individuals protesting his discrimination and r****m of cancers all of a sudden: it was called “Trump Derangement Syndrome"

Read the post before replying to it. They say it was trumps pressure
President Donald Trump appointed Shanahan to the role. but it didn’t take an insider to figure out what guidance he has been given by the president. Lockheed Martin hadn’t been planning to cut the price that far that fast, but after Trump’s criticism of the program it decided to sharpen its pencils and find savings fast.

Biden wasn’t president for development of v*****e.
Nearly 16 million doses had been administered by Jan. 20, the day Biden took office. And Biden didn’t buy up all the doses — the Trump administration had purchased 300 million doses of C****-** v*****es from P****r and M*****a in December as part of Operation Warp Speed, weeks before Biden was inaugurated.

In fact it was the democrats that sought to place mistrust in the science of a v*****e

Sept 8th 2020
Democrats are panicked that a c****av***s v*****e will emerge right in time for the e******n, boosting President Trump’s chances.They and their liberal media enablers are scrambling to undermine that prospect by sowing fear and distrust about a v*****e – any v*****e – even before one becomes available.
How heinous is that?
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., in a recent interview with MSNBC, said we don’t want a v*****e “one day sooner than it is ready,” hinting that the rush for a cure might create risks.
She also claimed, without evidence, that the administration had “politically interfered” with the process of creating a v*****e by saying “it should go faster.”

And lastly with no v*****e available Trump had less deaths in 2020 than Biden with one, had in 2021.
Biden admits he shouldn’t remain president
Democratic White House hopeful Joe Biden said Thursday during his final debate with President Donald Trump that presiding over the nation as 220,000 Americans died from the c****av***s should disqualify Trump from re-e******n.
“Anyone who's responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of America," Biden said in the opening remarks of the showdown that comes just 12 days before the e******n.
Nov. 22, 2021 -- The number of C****-** deaths recorded so far in 2021 has surpassed the total for 2020, according to the latest data from Johns Hopkins University. Time to step down……And back relevant to the original post, I know many veterans of my age that never bothered trying to use any V.A. benefits until Trumps reforms.

After more than two years of continuous negotiation and the unrelenting pursuit to fix VA's Choice program and reform the veterans' health system, veterans scored a victory when the long-awaited VA MISSION Act finally was signed by President Donald Trump on Wednesday. And, it's all thanks to MOAA members and veterans who never gave up until the mission was accomplished.
It was such a thrilling and humbling experience to sit on behalf of veterans around the world in the gallery, high atop the prestigious Senate floor, witnessing the historic v**e, especially after working closely with MOAA members and a large group of organizations representing millions of veterans over the years.
The legislation is historic for a number of reasons, the least of which is because it became a law in just a few short weeks. It also represents a major shift in how the VA will deliver care - a system virtually untouched by major t***sformation in more than 25 years
Again he could of cured all cancers and have had i... (show quote)



So if Don the CON is responsible for the v*****es. If they were rushed and considered unsafe by his own cult of followers is that his fault? Or only the glory? He is currently claiming his followers and himself are the reason the v*****es are such a success this is yesterday’s news. But the stupid part to me is most of his demented followers are against it. He wants them to change their minds so he can get some credit from them.

Considering he said it was H**X in the first place. The guy is nuts. He ran for President as a publicity stunt in the first place.

The defense of the guy early by his followers was a business man ( crooked businessman) will be better president.

Well I don’t take my car to the dentist for repairs. I also don’t go to a mechanic for dental work. Don’t forget the guy was impeached twice. Only reason acquitted was party lines. Twice is proof the guy was not fit for the job. Then J****** 6th t***spired. I never believed who his followers were blaming either and it turns out now it was his followers. If someone wants to compare sheep to humans then J****** 6th is closest comparison I have witnessed in my lifetime

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Dec 22, 2021 15:05:05   #
plumbob Loc: New Windsor Maryland
 
Jeremy wrote:
So if Don the CON is responsible for the v*****es. If they were rushed and considered unsafe by his own cult of followers is that his fault. Or only the glory? He is currently claiming his followers and himself are the reason the v*****es are such a success this is yesterday’s news. But the stupid part to me is most of his demented followers are against it. He wants them to change their minds so he can get some credit from them.

Considering he said it was H**X in the first place. The guy is nuts. He ran for President as a publicity stunt in the first place.

The defense of the guy early by his followers was a business man ( crooked businessman) will be better president.

Well I don’t take my car to the dentist for repairs. I also don’t go to a mechanic for dental work. Don’t forget the guy was impeached twice. Only reason acquitted was party lines. Twice is proof the guy was not fit for the job. Then J****** 6th t***spired. I never believed who his followers were blaming either and it turns out now it was his followers. If someone wants to compare sheep to humans then J****** 6th is closest comparison I have witnessed in my lifetime
So if Don the CON is responsible for the v*****es.... (show quote)


Jeremy, can you back up that statement with a poll, or #'s that most of his demented followers are against it.

Hillary called us Deplorable and you call us Demented.

Great way to end the new year making waves Jeremy.

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