Since we're already in the attic, I might as well throw my 2¢ your way on this "tread lightly, if you go" thread. Sorry, gonna clomp on in with my boots.
I don't own any guns, never have, have no future plans to. I was also a Concientious Objector, given the "1-A-O" status on my draft card, in the fall of 1972...proud of my choice then, even more so today. Have no reason to own a gun, don't ever plan to k**l anyone nor do I find the sport of hunting enticing.
I know you'll say "no one plans on k*****g anyone, but you need to have "protection", don't you ?" ..... How'd that work out for the Methodist minister (a minister ?....are you 'effin kidding me ?....my Daddy is rolling in his grave, pissed that anyone of his profession, particularly of his very denomination would be armed in a church...God's House.) in YOUR own state, RJS, just this past week. Had he NOT had a gun, he likely would still be preaching, instead of being another blatant as hell cautionary tale. Surely didn't save HIS life to be "carrying", now did it ?? It COST him his life, and to add insult to injury, in this "cautionary tale", he is of a profession that SHOULD be adequately trained to handle, not escalate, the very situation he found himself in. My father would not have been nearly as harsh, but ask his son, and I will say.."Well, this guy obviously sucked at his chosen profession, this, his only job... TO MINISTER..., He failed his family, his congregation, his community and ultimately his faith. Might just be God "making a cull", huh ?".
This is ME saying this, certainly not words my father would have chosen...he would have been more empathetic and found a different and more soothing message.

I say .... i***ts do i***tic acts and sometimes die because of it, can't fix stupid.

And you, RJS, should be praising the good Lord that you live in the most freedom-loving and freedom-allowing country in the world, because the original post that started this thread, could soooo easily be misconstrued to be a "Manifesto" for a m*****a you are forming... you spoke of the "need for ammo makers". That $#it would get you arrested in dozens of countries around the world.
But then, I am also quite certain that you do not see it that way...so be it.

It does, however, pass the sniff-test for a "preparatory call to arms"...considered an act of s******n in many circles, especially the ones you are lamenting having been recently elected to try to get this country back on a path to where we won't be waxing nostalgic about "the good 'ol days" but regaining p***e in TODAY and have enough optimistic outlook to WANT to live much longer, rather than lamenting that "it's a good thing I won't be here to see it".... that's giving up on the dream, and THAT is nothing shy of being a wussy, big-time.

BTW... ammo available in Oregon, still sell guns at the local Dick's, but no... you can no longer buy an assault rifle in Walmart.... simple wisdom, not politics.

Paranoia breeds paranoia.... write another missive like the one that you started here, and we're gonna have to choose between two new nicknames for you..."Breeder" or "Stoker".... guessing you might not care for either.

Well, to own a hand gun just to scare people, really is, or should scare the wrong person. I suspect the burgler saw that he was wavering and could not follow thought with his threat to shoot. I suspect the minister was quite nervous and it showed!

I wonder what you v**ers in other states would have thought if you had a f**e Mexican running for senator in your state and boldy campaigning and yelling that he was going to take our weapons. I know the opposition says it is only the machine guns, and automatic weapons, etc. but no one believe that.

If the government and all the various levels want to cut down on shooting deaths, why dont they begin to enfore the gun laws on the books now? The Courts here release violent criminals shortly after they have have been convicted and sentenced to prision, not only for gun crimes but drunk driving and such.

Lets get serious about law enforcement, across the board. Just Sayin...RJS

FixorFish: Yes, I do pray regularly and am thankful for a lot of things. One that this is a free contry and hopefully will remain one. It would not have been if we were all pacificts!

After World War II, The military were interviewing a Japanese admiral. They asked him why the Japanese had not invaded California since we were unprepared, had not ordnaize defenses there? The Admiral said, "Well, we knew that Americans had a lot of guns and we were not willing to engage in combat and have every citizen shooting at us from behind every tree!"

You, sir owe your very life to those who own and bear arms. From the American Revolution thru all the wars there after. Those who own, and are willing to take up arms to defend this country have made it possible for O's like you to even have a life. So enjoy your free ride.

Stop and think what would have happen to you and those who believe as you do, if you had been living in the 1930's and 40's in N**i Germany, and like the Jews who believed that disarmiment was ok until they were rounded up? What about all those executed and exterminated in Soviet Russia. In China, and several other countries in Asia and S. America. Dictators are cowards. They must have the weapons collected before they can start the next step of their plans.

You simply cannot trust leadership that wants to disarm you! So, stand behind your wife and she will fight to protect you. Most wives, when it comes to harm of her children will fight like tigers!

If I had been that young pastor in the church in East Texas, I would have shot the intruder before he even got close to me. He hesitated, and probably thought just the sight of a weapon would be enough. I would have made the decision when I acquire the weapon. If I cannot shoot, I don't want to have a weapon. However, I do have weapons and I will shoot to protect my home, my family, my country. and even you! Just Sayin...RJS

FixorFish: Yes, I do pray regularly and am thankful for a lot of things. One that this is a free contry and hopefully will remain one. It would not have been if we were all pacificts!

After World War II, The military were interviewing a Japanese admiral. They asked him why the Japanese had not invaded California since we were unprepared, had not ordnaize defenses there? The Admiral said, "Well, we knew that Americans had a lot of guns and we were not willing to engage in combat and have every citizen shooting at us from behind every tree!"

You, sir owe your very life to those who own and bear arms. From the American Revolution thru all the wars there after. Those who own, and are willing to take up arms to defend this country have made it possible for O's like you to even have a life. So enjoy your free ride.

Stop and think what would have happen to you and those who believe as you do, if you had been living in the 1930's and 40's in N**i Germany, and like the Jews who believed that disarmiment was ok until they were rounded up? What about all those executed and exterminated in Soviet Russia. In China, and several other countries in Asia and S. America. Dictators are cowards. They must have the weapons collected before they can start the next step of their plans.

You simply cannot trust leadership that wants to disarm you! So, stand behind your wife and she will fight to protect you. Most wives, when it comes to harm of her children will fight like tigers!

If I had been that young pastor in the church in East Texas, I would have shot the intruder before he even got close to me. He hesitated, and probably thought just the sight of a weapon would be enough. I would have made the decision when I acquire the weapon. If I cannot shoot, I don't want to have a weapon. However, I do have weapons and I will shoot to protect my home, my family, my country. and even you! Just Sayin...RJS