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Sep 16, 2020 00:05:07   #
Robert J Samples Loc: Round Rock, Texas
 
Man you did the right thing! What if he had killed somebody and wanted you to share the blame? Where does being guilty start and stop? Just Sayin...RJS

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Sep 16, 2020 00:14:32   #
saw1 Loc: nor cal Windsor
 
Robert J Samples wrote:
Man you did the right thing! What if he had killed somebody and wanted you to share the blame? Where does being guilty start and stop? Just Sayin...RJS


Yeah, you don't need FRIENDS like him.

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Sep 16, 2020 00:29:10   #
Spiritof27 Loc: Lincoln, CA
 
You don't see a difference between taking a couple of extra fish and killing somebody? Good thing you're not on the bench RJ.

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Sep 16, 2020 00:31:30   #
saw1 Loc: nor cal Windsor
 
Spiritof27 wrote:
You don't see a difference between taking a couple of extra fish and killing somebody? Good thing you're not on the bench RJ.


That is strechin it a mite.

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Sep 16, 2020 01:01:36   #
bric Loc: Helena, MT
 
Spiritof27 wrote:
I agree with all of you that the regulations serve a purpose and we should obey the law. But I'll play devil's advocate here. If you and I are fishing in California we are each allowed to take 5 trout. If you catch 5 and I catch 5, we've obeyed the letter of the law. What if you catch 10 and I don't catch any? We've still just taken a total of 10 fish, which we're allowed to do. Does it really matter which of us caught them? The purpose of the regulation is still served. I'm still on Mike's side here, but it is something to think about. Isn't it?
I agree with all of you that the regulations serve... (show quote)


I just looked at a copy of Idaho Regs cuz I have a copy handy by the bed. The bag limits are an individual and independent effort; not allowed to fill another’s limit.
I have heard of some states that allow you to fill another’s deer tag. Not in Montana though...

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Sep 16, 2020 05:47:03   #
Doug Lemmon Loc: Rochester Mills, PA
 
Mike, You've done the right thing. Limits are set for a reason and are PER ANGLER.

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Sep 16, 2020 06:12:43   #
Doug Lemmon Loc: Rochester Mills, PA
 
Spiritof27 wrote:
I agree with all of you that the regulations serve a purpose and we should obey the law. But I'll play devil's advocate here. If you and I are fishing in California we are each allowed to take 5 trout. If you catch 5 and I catch 5, we've obeyed the letter of the law. What if you catch 10 and I don't catch any? We've still just taken a total of 10 fish, which we're allowed to do. Does it really matter which of us caught them? The purpose of the regulation is still served. I'm still on Mike's side here, but it is something to think about. Isn't it?
I agree with all of you that the regulations serve... (show quote)


Spirit27,

You ask "Does it really matter"?

First off, catch limits are written "Per Angler". If I were a fisherman who relied on my buddy putting fish on my stringer, am I really a fisherman?? Or just a fish collector? A true Sportsman will obey the limits.. maybe put his buddy in his spot after catching his limit and help him to catch his own fish.. A true Sportsman will share the hot spot for shared success, not just share the reward.. A true Sportsman won't bend the rules just because he/she had a good day..

Catch limits are set with the realization that not all anglers will achieve a Limit every day.. If every angler bends the rules, then as a collective group will over harvest..

You might want to try asking a Warden that just observed you catching 10 and putting 5 on your buddies stringer, "What does it Matter"?

Additionally, this was a recreational fishing trip described.. Is was not fishing for survival... Mike was uncomfortable with the situation because his heart told him it was wrong...

Yes... IT MATTERS!

Yes! It matters!

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Sep 16, 2020 06:34:06   #
plumbob Loc: New Windsor Maryland
 
Geomike, you say he is, and now was, one of your neighbor friends. Sounds like you have others you can fish with. He really wasn't a friend if he did not respect the rules to go by.

You did the right thing Tight Lines brother.

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Sep 16, 2020 07:54:12   #
Jim Sargent Loc: Payson, AZ
 
In general I think fish and game try to establish limits to benefit the species and the angler/hunter. During the thirty plus years I followed bird dogs around we counted lost cripples as part of our bag limit.

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Sep 16, 2020 08:55:29   #
Gordon Loc: Charleston South Carolina
 
You did the right thing. I don't think a single person on this post would have done it any other way. Hats off to you

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Sep 16, 2020 09:03:42   #
OJdidit Loc: Oak Creek Wisconsin
 
Geomike, you did the right thing. Your “friend” ought to be ashamed for asking you to lie for him. Individual bag limits are set to protect the resource.
I understand Spirit’s point, but I doubt the Warden nor Judge would see it that way.

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Sep 16, 2020 09:10:47   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
Doug Lemmon wrote:
Spirit27,

You ask "Does it really matter"?

First off, catch limits are written "Per Angler". If I were a fisherman who relied on my buddy putting fish on my stringer, am I really a fisherman?? Or just a fish collector? A true Sportsman will obey the limits.. maybe put his buddy in his spot after catching his limit and help him to catch his own fish.. A true Sportsman will share the hot spot for shared success, not just share the reward.. A true Sportsman won't bend the rules just because he/she had a good day..

Catch limits are set with the realization that not all anglers will achieve a Limit every day.. If every angler bends the rules, then as a collective group will over harvest..

You might want to try asking a Warden that just observed you catching 10 and putting 5 on your buddies stringer, "What does it Matter"?

Additionally, this was a recreational fishing trip described.. Is was not fishing for survival... Mike was uncomfortable with the situation because his heart told him it was wrong...

Yes... IT MATTERS!

Yes! It matters!
Spirit27, br br You ask "Does it really matt... (show quote)


I agree. I really don’t think any of us here are in a starvation situation where we need someone catching fish for someone else. I believe the fish and game need to win as much as the fisherman or hunter. Filling someone’s fish limit isn’t any different that filling a big game tag for someone else. If I catch a legal limit of fish then give it to you or if I harvest a big game animal and give it to you that’s one thing. To catch a double limit and give you half is wrong in my opinion. To harvest an animal illegally so we both get one is also wrong in my opinion.

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Sep 16, 2020 09:25:17   #
The CDB is Awesome Loc: Marshall, Madison County, North Carolina
 
Geomike wrote:
I recently had a dispute with one of my neighbor friends about following the fishing regulations versus poaching. We had gone fishing a couple of times and only caught some dink trout so we released them. We went on one more trip together and caught many good size trout 12-16” on a nymph and indicator rig. I released all but one fish but my fishing buddy was keeping all of his fish and was soon over the legal limit. When we left the fishing spot he said “remember tell the game warden that some of these are yours so I don’t get a ticket”. I didn’t immediately say anything because he was driving and we were about 60 miles from home. (I don’t like hitchhiking)!

He came by about a week later and wanted me to fish with him again and I refused. He asked why and I told him that I didn’t want to fish with him because he didn’t follow regulations and asked me to lie to a game warden. He made several excuses about how Fish and Game sets unreasonable limits and that he didn’t believe anything they said. It was obvious that he hates being regulated. I replied that everything he said didn’t matter because the bottom line is that he broke the law and tried to make me an accomplice. He then stormed off mumbling and hasn’t spoken or even looked at me since.

My father raised me to follow the fishing regulations, release small fish and to be courteous to wardens and other fisherman. I had a similar experience with a friend when I was a kid. My father told me “well if he doesn’t follow the rules then don’t fish with him anymore”. I also believe that wildlife management is necessary especially these days when there are many more hunters and fisherman competing for the resources.

What is your opinion?
I recently had a dispute with one of my neighbor f... (show quote)


Always follow the regulations, "Rules, Without them we live with the animals."

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Sep 16, 2020 09:46:01   #
BongsonBob Loc: East Bay
 
You don't need him as a friend, or a fishing buddy. He wanted you to be an unwitting and unwilling accomplice to a crime. Next time out he might want you to be "lookout" while he pilfers someones fishing tackle from the back of their pickup.

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Sep 16, 2020 11:15:10   #
Spiritof27 Loc: Lincoln, CA
 
Doug Lemmon wrote:
Spirit27,

You ask "Does it really matter"?

First off, catch limits are written "Per Angler". If I were a fisherman who relied on my buddy putting fish on my stringer, am I really a fisherman?? Or just a fish collector? A true Sportsman will obey the limits.. maybe put his buddy in his spot after catching his limit and help him to catch his own fish.. A true Sportsman will share the hot spot for shared success, not just share the reward.. A true Sportsman won't bend the rules just because he/she had a good day..

Catch limits are set with the realization that not all anglers will achieve a Limit every day.. If every angler bends the rules, then as a collective group will over harvest..

You might want to try asking a Warden that just observed you catching 10 and putting 5 on your buddies stringer, "What does it Matter"?

Additionally, this was a recreational fishing trip described.. Is was not fishing for survival... Mike was uncomfortable with the situation because his heart told him it was wrong...

Yes... IT MATTERS!

Yes! It matters!
Spirit27, br br You ask "Does it really matt... (show quote)


I hope you will reread my post and I hope you understand what a "devil's advocate" is. Rather than just allow the conversation to spiral down into a group grope with Mike I thought maybe it could use a little splash of hot sauce. That's just how I am. And I'm glad to meet anyone who has never broken the rules or stretched the truth a wee bit. So, life is a round of golf, and we're all responsible for our own card, no cheating allowed. Excellent.

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