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Feb 8, 2022 04:47:18   #
FixorFish wrote:
The philosophy my Dad always ingrained in me, regarding tool and materials purchases, what our family referred to as his "Cry Just Once Theory"..... it's gonna hurt, no matter what you end up paying, so buy the best you can possibly afford at the time, that will complete the task adequately and keep to your standards. If you go for cheap, & it doesn't perform its purpose properly, needing maintenance or outright repair....or worse, it fails and you have to replace it, you'll be crying TWICE..... best to "bite the bullet", and only have to cry once.

Most certainly we all have budget constraints and priorities, but try not to let any short-term thing influence whatever course you decide to pursue, at the expense of getting the job done correctly, to your standards, of course.

The deflection of 1/2" Baltic Birch ply is fairly minimal because of its many plies, which may allow you to use less (wider spacing of) aluminum strut work, which could cut some cost. And it's edge consistency, as well as it's near-flawless Birch faces, means easier to finish and maintain.
Just a couple of points for consideration.... good luck !
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A very good philosophy to live by, no doubt. I am going to reach out to some of the local yards for the Baltic Birch to see what if any they have and how much. I may not be able to go that route if it isn’t available and certainly if it’s too expensive. Whatever I end up using, if I prep it right and design it to easily replaceable, it should last a long time. I will likely have to take the approach of not being able to “gold plate” it but I
galvanize it”
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Feb 7, 2022 21:55:43   #
FixorFish wrote:
The most overlooked plywood for such boat projects, as well as many other things, is BALTIC BIRCH (only as 5'x5' sheets originally, but now in 4x8, as well, import from... the Baltic region, of course) and the domestically (Oregon !) produced APPLEPLY (in rather short supply lately & Timber Products won't give a specific reasoning ?!?), similar to BB, in that it is made of millimeter-thick plies (1/2" is 9-ply, 3/4 is 12-ply) almost totally void-free and WATERPROOF GLUE !
1/2" 4'x8' is $105 right now, just called my local yard.
I have been using BB ply for drawers, as well as any weather-exposed plywood needs... like boats !, for 40+ years, no complaints and it's so well manufactured, that it not only doesn't warp or delaminate, but can be machined quite well. Usually just rabbet the corners and glue and pin with an 18ga. gun, but have even "dovetailed" it, using a jig. Also doesn't need edgebanding, as it is "void-free" and kinda pretty as exposed "edge grain".
I would still use some type of sealer for using it in a boat. My go-to for that, is "Daly's Ship 'n' Shore" or Daly's "Seafin", both soak in, rather than form a film that would be susceptible to chipping or peeling, not cheap stuff... but what is these days ?
Find a lumberyard that supplies cabinet makers (NOT your 2x4, 4x4 guys or a big box store)and you'll find Baltic Birch ply, some are available prefinished with UV-cured "lacquer" finish (haven't used that version).

Big fan of the PVC "lumber" (at Lowe's and Home Depot)for boats, but have yet to see any sheetgoods available locally. Spendy, but worth it, imo.
Have used it on 2 of my boats, love its no mold, no rot, no paint (unless you wanna go with something besides white, used it on exterior casing/trim that I painted with acrylic latex, 5+ years on... looks the same as the day I finished) no absorption traits. Even routs, drills and holds screws well.
Between my little "fleet" of boats and all my buddies who want some customized add-ons for THEIR boats, that seems to be where my woodworking skills go these days.
Glad of it.... last big kitchen/pantry/dining room contract, before retirement, had 56 drawers and 89 doors, all told ! Nice paycheck at the end, but damn..... that's a lot of cutting, sanding, finishing and fitting. Don't miss the long hours and deadlines, in the least.
Good luck on your project !
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I appreciate your input and I am going to see what I can dig up locally. I want to keep cost and weight down but don’t want to take shortcuts either so trying to find that sweet spot the best bang for my buck. Thanks
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Feb 3, 2022 00:59:48   #
EdwardL wrote:
Hello Froggy 🐸
Great minds think alike. I have a 14ft North Wood it has a floor already but i bought a trolling motor bow mount with foot control but i need to build a deck big enough to mount it
My main motor is a electric start 9.9
mercury and a hand control trolling motor in the stern. I’m going to use 3/4 plywood for the bow deck it’s just for the motor I’ll stain and poly coat it. Not sure if it helped but know your not alone

A little out of order but the picture of my boat a few days after I bought it last May, then in August on another trailer I also refurbished then the last of it in the water with a new 9.9 Tohatsu EFI and two float pods added. So you can see what I need to do with adding a floor between the middle and back bench then a deck attached to the top of the middle and front bench and finally an upper deck for the bow to place a bow mount trolling motor. Of course I will add a pedestal chair on the deck and one on the floor. A bit of work for sure but it will be a good learning experience as well as fun.






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Feb 2, 2022 14:01:46   #
BeaverTooth wrote:
In response to your question, I built my decks completely from Wood because I did not have the expertise to work with aluminum. I used 2X2 for my support structure in my 12 foot Lowe John boat. I will attach photos.

I used 1/2” marine grade plywood that I bought at Menards. The plywood was extremely expensive costing $100 per sheet. I have found a half inch to be plenty strong enough to support my weight, but I only weigh between 160-165 pounds. The front elevated deck makes no noise and does not show any signs of shifting or bowing under my body weight. You can also see that I cut a hole right in the middle of it and installed an access hatch.

I then installed a subfloor between my second and third bench seat and simply laid a piece of half inch plywood directly on top of 1.25” styrofoam. It supports my weight along with that of my grown daughter without any problem. Unless you’re a really big guy, I think you can get by with half inch plywood and save yourself some additional weight as compared to 3/4” plywood.

I sealed all of my wood with a deck paint that I used on my home. I then covered my plywood with EVA camo foam.

I wish you the very best as you build your decks. I’m not very handy with any type of construction so I worked very slowly and just took my time. I know someone else could’ve done a better job but I am extremely satisfied. BeaverTooth
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That looks very good. I am a bit heavier at 220 but I feel that if framed right 1/2” will work for me. I will use aluminum and I am not really worried as built my very larga outdoor kitchen/bar with steel framing which was the first time using that material. Going to be a lot of fun doing this. I totally refurbished this boat and trailer last year and for a first timer I am pretty pleased and get a lot of compliments for it. I am certainly going ro consider some of your suggestions though. Thanks.
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Feb 2, 2022 13:08:45   #
Fishandrods wrote:
I fished El Cap a lot back in the 90s and early 2000s and did well on bass. Now I only fish the South Bay Area launching at Pepper park, I only catch and release mostly spotted bay bass but also halibut, croaker, shortfin corvina, bonefish, mackerel, and other species. I fish plastics only but have in the past used squid and mackerel mostly catching dogfish, bay rays, mackerel and others. Have never been skunked in the bay, worst day there was 9 fish by myself and best day for 2 of us was 176 mostly spotties. If you’re interested in trying the bay PM me and I’ll tell you what to use and where and how to catch them with good numbers. Or if you want I can take you out on my boat sometime. Larry W.
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Sounds fun. With my boat I will stick with fresh water only. I have only been boating for a few months now and that car topper isn’t very fun if it starts getting really choppy or with large boat wakes, at least at this point in my experience. One day, closer to retirement I will likely get a larger boat that will fair better in. Those waters. Maybe we can catch up sometime though.
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Feb 2, 2022 09:41:29   #
Fishandrods wrote:
Hey froggy, I lived in Santee back in 68 thru 71 and now in scenic Alpine for 43 years. I have a 15’smoker craft alum boat that I’ve had for 10 years, and when I got it I made a deck in front and floor boards out of 1/2 CDX plywood and sealed it with 2 coats of exterior sealer and the covered it with indoor outdoor carpeting from Home Depot I’ve changed the carpet once about 2 years ago it was just worn from our shoes not from any moisture. I made some tapered runners for the floor to make the plywood sit level. I left the floors unattached so I could remove them to clean them off. I made a elevated stand for the front deck for my swivel chair, and I can use my front mounted trolling motor from there. Larry W.
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Sounds a lot like what I am aiming to do. It looks like I will be using CDX because I cannot find PVC panels. I installed two float pods in November adding about 150lbs additional floatation capacity so that should help with some if the additional weight that I am going to have. We will see. I plan on having it ready by April or so to be ready for the summer. Do you fish any of the local lakes? I usually fish Jennings but have been to San Vicente (no luck at all there) and to El Cap which I did catch a couple of nice bass in December.
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Feb 1, 2022 15:55:23   #
J in Cleveland wrote:
I used regular plywood but I painted to on both sides with floor paint, then covered the top of the deck part with ice and water barrier for roofing, then covered in carpet.

If you can buy 4’x8’ sheets of the 3/4” pvc board near you I’d use that instead. Plenty strong, lighter then marine plywood and 100% water proof. Built mine at height of Covid construction materials shortage and I couldn’t find sheets of the material. It’s available again here now.

I saw a guy using that same stuff in one of the YouTube videos and I like the idea so I will make an attempt to find some. Thanks.
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Feb 1, 2022 13:38:13   #
Going to start building a floor and casting deck as well as a small deck on the bow for a bow mount trolling motor for my 12’ Grumman. Planning to use all aluminum framing to help keep the weight in check but not sure if I am going to use 1/2” or 3/4” plywood. Also not sure if I am going to be able to find marine grade or what would be acceptable for long lasting flooring. Plan on sealing the wood as well as outdoor carpet. Looking forward to any input from anyone who has the experience and has done one themselves. Been watching a LOT of YouTube as I am an honor graduate from that university but I am open to all input. Thanks.
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Dec 5, 2021 13:38:14   #
plumbob wrote:
How close are you to user ( Saw1 ) ? The man nearly never misses a striper out there.

I am pretty new to this forum so I don’t really know anyone as of yet. You are the most frequent replier to my post I think.
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Dec 5, 2021 13:29:22   #
plumbob wrote:
As long as it works that is all that matters. Best of luck with the fish on your next outing.

Thanks. Looking to try a different lake next week for the first time in years. Unfortunately a lot of them around here don’t have much in the way of good shore fishing so now that thankfully won’t be a problem.
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Dec 5, 2021 09:43:25   #
plumbob wrote:
Great idea on the casting deck. Do the pods that you added increase the stability of the boat? It looks like it might.

Honestly, I didn’t really notice much of a difference there. Again, my main goal was to try to compensate for the weight which is where it helped the most.
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Dec 4, 2021 22:11:35   #
plumbob wrote:
Froggy, i gad a 14' fiberglass with a 9.9 Yamaha that the stern would sit low and hard to get on plane. My solution was to add weight in the bow.

I will be doing that early next year when I start putting casting decks in. I will be putting the battery for a bow mount trolling motor in the front as well. The good thing is now that the pods allowed me to go to position 4 getting the lower cowling up and further out of the water giving the exhaust more clearance. At least it was a success because the fishing sucked today.
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Dec 4, 2021 07:24:52   #
plumbob wrote:
Yes they show FF, just didn't know what you were talking about as far as working on it. Nice job on the pods. What is there purpose?

They are designed to give about 150lbs extra floatation. My little boat really squats down in the back especially when I am sitting back there so these are suppose to help eliminate that. I am new to boating and I am learning a lot along the way, some of it the hard way. I bought a new 9.9 Tohatsu which is supposed to be the max my boat can take and without thinking about the squatting issue to boot. So there you go. Going out today though to give her a run and see how those floats do and see if they help. Crossing my fingures.
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Dec 3, 2021 21:19:39   #
plumbob wrote:
Okay i will bite, what work did you do?
still getting use to this platform. I posted a picture which (at least on my phone) is directly above this showing the back of my little 12’ boat with newly placed floatation pods. Let me know if you don’t see them just above. If not I will try again.
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Dec 3, 2021 13:28:47   #
Here is the picture of my work for your viewing pleasure.

New floatation pods

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