DC Loc: Washington state

like you said all about control

Kerry Hansen Loc: Bremerton, WA

A good guy who worked for me has a daughter who needs 100% care. Can't walk needs 100% around the clock care. This has been going on since she was born and she is in her 50's now. At one point they were advised BY A DOCTOR, "IF YOU DO NOTHING SHE WILL DIE AND YOU WILL BE RELEASED FROM THAT BURDEN"! Steve and his wife (who is in remission from Cancer) were having nothing of that. When I needed him to travel to look at a ship for an upcoming overhaul where we would be producing the Blue Prints for the job, I always asked if he could do it. Fortunately his mother was still alive and between her and steve's wife they could provide the care for their daughter. She can't even feed herself, nothing. I know they have this on their mind with both of them in their 70's.

Papa D Loc: Mantweeka, Ca

The admin didn't delete it, I deleted parts of your post from what was included in the "Quote Reply".

Perhaps if you actually read what I posted you will notice that I included your what's happening portion and responded to it.

Since you object to my deletion of your control statement, I'll respond.

There definitely was a problem with control -- the Marine failed to maintain appropriate levels of it.

Please excuse me for not responding to all of the off topic political rhetoric.

Kerry Hansen Loc: Bremerton, WA

I didn't know it was you who deleted it, but I have fixed THAT!

DC Loc: Washington state

why would you say that? the Marine was not acting in any official capacity he was acting as a private citizen protecting others on the train and himself from a violet out of control mentally ill man making threats and throwing things. his intent was not to harm but to subdue the guy who was struggling with them to the very end. sure in hind sight one could say he should of released his hold a little but if he did and the guy got free and did harm to the passengers people would be saying he should have maintained his hold on him tell he was subdued. the marine is not the villan here he is a hero for stepping in to prevent harm to the innocent riders from the real villan who is the now deceased man who was making the threats. remember we know from his past 40 arrests that he had made good on his threats in the past, and most likely the actions of this marine is what prevented him doing the same this time

Papa D Loc: Mantweeka, Ca

Please don't bash me (or the admin) for deleting anything from your post--its all here--just broken up so I could respond to each piece one-by-one.



Because in the 50+ years that I've participated in judo competitions, I've choked out hundreds of my opponents. The reason none of them died is because I didn't continue choking them for 6-7 minutes after they were subdued. You don't need to kill your opponent to control them.


The death certificate doesn't distinguish between official and unofficial -- it just lists homicide as the manner of death.



According to the primary witness (the one that recorded the video contained in the beginning of these posts), "Neely did not appear to be armed or looking to attack anyone."

The witness did say he was shouting but what he was shouting were not threats. Also, there is no mention by witnesses of Neely throwing things.

I've been shouted at, had things thrown at me, spat on, swung on and
attacked with baseball bats and knives. However, I have yet to kill anyone on friendly soil.



So why would he choose to use a tactic that is known to be lethal?

Maybe it was just that he made a bad choice. I'm sure that the Marine wishes he'd just knocked Neely out with a haymaker.



I know from experience how easily you can control your opponent immediately following their near loss of consciencness. Its not quite as easy as control someone that has just been killed but should have been manageable by the three men who were restraining him.

Unless the Corp dropped hand-to-hand from their training, the Marine should have known this too.



I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I wouldn't call someone who killed another person who "did not appear to be armed or looking to attack anyone" a hero.


If Neely's previous arrests, of which 3 were violent, were unknown to the Marine then this is just 'justification after the fact'. If they were known, then that would make the Marine a vigilante.



Ahh, finally we can both agree on. Neely definitely be seen acting erratically on the subway again.

Funny how being killed solves that pesky problem.

PapaD

Namvet69 Loc: Ohio

Lawerence Jones, a black journalist, had his take on this, last evening. He’s been traveling around the country investigating and reporting on these type on incidents. Who knows the name of the 54 yr old woman shoved on to the tracks; the teen that was brutally beaten by an other group of teens; an other man waiting on the train shoved onto the tracks; videos of other instances of the same; black woman sitting on a bench, getting up, walking out, and shoving another woman on to the tracks, then causally walking away. Anyone know their names??? New York governor referred to this marine as a killer. AOC called him a murder. But neither one of these dear elitist know the names of the other victims. Basically, they don’t care unless the acts committed are in line with their ideaology/talking points/ agenda. Wonder why they know this marines name? Does anyone think these elitist care!!!!
My question; why would anyone want to live in such a city? Would it be important to them if it was black on black crime?

Kerry Hansen Loc: Bremerton, WA

YOU are 100% correct, What fits THEIR agenda. They don't give a wit about good people especially someone who defended our country or to weak on the Subway from the Bad. They don't want police on the subways. I almost lost my Daughter to GANG shooting about 7 years ago, when those wonder people who say they care about us were calling for defunding the police! They should have been giving more money to hire more police to get the gangs! That same day that they shot at my Daughter, the police units that responded said there were 3 similar ones thaat same day around Seattle. Gang stuff where you kill someone you can join! It has gotten worse.

Rheatown Loc: Greeneville tn

If the system would have done it’s job to begin with this wouldn’t have happened period they punish nobody so it falls on citizens to defend themselves and when they do they’re to blame man had over 40 priors why was he even allowed to be walking around just like George Floyd that caused so much uproar was nothing but a thug and everyone knew it and was never punished and that cost the country millions in lawsuits and property damage because somebody finally put a stop to that poor defenseless upstanding member of the community that had enough drugs in his system to kill 5 people until they bring back law and order this will continue to happen

Namvet69 Loc: Ohio

Some of these comments might seem like political rhetoric. It became political when NY Governor and AOC sentenced this marine on public news as guilty/a murderer. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty by a jury of their peers. I have followed the news from NY and other big cities for a long time. Seems nothing sticks to those who break the law. They’re back on the street before the police finish there report. Violent and terrible crimes, yet nothing changes. Over 40 convictions. The police knew his name. Mentally challenged, arrested, but still doing his impersonations. Now he is important. The Governor and AOC know his name, and the marine is a vigilante. He should have known better than to keep him in this position for long, so they say. Who was there and who knows how much this guy struggled. As a Vietnam combat veteran my favorite take down was called rear strangle take down. We did this to each other in training. But we did not crush your Adam’s apple at being of take down. Yes, we did kick our feet out toward the rear to take the person down. But we did not tightly lock our second arm behind the head, and force our shoulder into the back of the head, chocking and snapping the neck. With 100% certainty our marine did not want to kill this man, or it would’ve been over in 5 seconds, not 15 minutes. This situation is a shame; sad but reality. Your NY Governor and AOC know his name. He’s important now to the news and the political agenda. Why did it take his death for them to really care. They call him by name now, but where was their help and compassion for this challenged human being before his death? They met him over 40 times, and knew all about him, but only now he’s important. What a sad, sad, shameful show of their pretentious compassion. “Don’t let a good crisis go to waste” quote Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s cabinet member and former Chicago Mayor.

LipSnatcher Loc: Okeechobee FL.

I thought about commenting on this topic, but you saved me some time, well said, and well done.
It seems plain ole common horse sense, has departed the minds of many Americans today.

LipSnatcher Loc: Okeechobee FL.

It's a case of just another lunatic parasite that got what was needed at the time, the marine should be given an award, medal, or key to the city. 👏

WiBob Loc: NE Wisconsin

Thanks for adding some much-needed details and perspective Papa. It seems like 90% of the population just wants to pontificate in cartoonish good-vs-evil terms these days, refusing to acknowledge any shades of gray in complicated situations. This was an unfortunate series of events for everyone involved, and the consequences will be widespread.

Namvet69 Loc: Ohio

Most homelessness is due to mental issues. Most are brought on by abusive drug use. Once you start frying your brain cells (so to speak) you will do most anything to continue within the cycle. I think that’s evident daily in the news. Some cities in this country , just last week, was considering paying hundreds of thousands, if I remember right, into billions of dollars to house these people in hotel rooms. Ever ask yourself, why isn’t this money used to actually address the mental issues these folks have? Whether you agree with abortion or not (I don’t), ever wonder why the political group that supports pro choice didn’t legislatively pass the right for abortion? That group has had the political power to do so many times over the last several decades. Ask Siri to bring up Broker T Washington’s commit on race baiting. That’s all you have to ask Siri, and it’s presented. I am sure BTW is considered an Uncle Tom for his comment. If you correct these mental/civil issues in our society, then you loose the issues for your political talking points. Like a doctor not treating your condition. If treated, they no longer have the condition to talk about. Wake up America!!!!

Papa D Loc: Mantweeka, Ca

I'm sure Reinhard Heydrich would agree. I don't.


I'm sure he'll get what he deserves but I doubt that it will be any of the above.