Steelhead Mickey Loc: NJ

Sad on different levels for all involved.
Interested in reading the reactions from the “Attic Faithful” on this story.
I used to take the subway regularly during my 41 working years. Sorry to say, I don’t miss it…

https://nypost.com/2023/05/02/shocking-video-shows-vagrant-being-choked-to-death-on-nyc-subway/amp/

Foodfisher Loc: SO. Cal coast

Agreed, sad on many levels but afraid it's going to happen more and more if the higher ups don't get their heads back on straight.

FourchonLa. Loc: Fourchon Louisiana, South Louisiana

They would first have to remove them from their anuses.

DC Loc: Washington state

so this guy had a history of assaults on the subway and at the time had a warrant out for his arrest for assault, and by all accounts I read was yelling threatening, and throwing stuff at the other riders before he was taken down by other riders. Now the man who had him in the choke hold is being villainized and called a murderer and a call for him to be charged which the DA will certainly do to please his left wing friends. So what do I think
1. the deceased had mental health problems but with out involuntary confinement for treatment he was left with out help and to destroy his own life
2. the same DA who now wants to charge the man who tried to restrain him is par of the same system who released him on many other occasions for assault and other crimes instead of holding him accountable and locking him up and requiring some sort of medical intervention for his mental disorder, thereby allowing him to prey on others
3. There is not adequate security on the t***sit system to prevent this type of behavior he and people like him who have a history of assaulting people while riding t***sit of any kind should be banned from ridding on them, but instead they are allowed back on with out any security to keep them off, and most of the time with out paying to get on thereby setting up a dangerous environment.
4.the men who confronted him and but an end to his threats should be held up as heroes not villains by public officials and the press
5. those that are protesting and causing trouble should be publicly denounced as agitators that promote injustice and destruction

so that is my thoughts on this situation

plumbob Loc: New Windsor Maryland

I say let the DA take the subway to work and if he should become a victim of violent behavior, let him sort it out then. Whole different ballgame when it's themselves or a loved one I bet.

Just wonder how many injuries and maybe lives these men saved in holding this guy down.

Papa D Loc: Mantweeka, Ca

Good points DC.

If the threatening agitator hadn't died, this probably wouldn't have even made the news. Sadly the young man lost his life.

Over my years, I have choked out many aggressors. All have lived. This is because I was trained how to apply and, more importantly release, the choke hold in sport Judo.

In the video, there is a clear point where a Judo tournament referee would have stopped the fight if the choke wasn't released. At that point it would have been easy to roll the aggressor over and restain him.

Given:

A. The hero was a former Marine (born to fight, trained to k**l...),

B. The extremely high levels of adrenaline that likely existed.

C. The other participants were ineffective in their attempts to restain

It doesn't surprise me that the altercation had a fatal outcome.


I hope that he is not charged.

DC Loc: Washington state

here is the other thing we really don't know the cause of death yet it could be he was high on drugs and the ordeal with the drugs could of caused some other cause of death besides lack of oxygen from the hold. It appeared he struggled up to the end so I think there was good reason for the man not to release him from his perspective.

Papa D Loc: Mantweeka, Ca

I wasn't suggesting that he should of released him entirely just released the pressure of the choke hold.

Its important to note that unconsciousness is caused by restricted blood flow to the brain--not lack of oxygen. I've been choked unconscious (college Judo tournaments) in less than 5 seconds despite being able to hold my breath over 2 minutes.

While drugs may have contributed, his death would not have happened without the choke being applied.

Between the bad press from law enforcement deaths (ie. I can't claim that I didn't know that it would k**l) and the prevalence of cell phone and surveillance cameras (which often don't catch the circumstances that led up to the physical confrontation), I no longer use a choke except as a last resort.

Instead I use a technique that doesn't look particularly violent but is quite effective at subduing an assailant until law enforcement arrives or I'm able to hogtie.

Below is a link that shows the technique that I've migrated to. I especially like it since:
1. It doesn't require the speed and strength I've lost (I'm in my 7th decade).
2. It works against almost all of common attacks.
3. It works for me. I've used it twice successfully under combative circumstances. One assailant was swinging a baseball bat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9IcTL8nTAs

If you decide you like it, find a dojo that will help you learn and practice it.

PapaD

DC Loc: Washington state

thanks that is helpful information.

Kerry Hansen Loc: Bremerton, WA

It is all about CONTROL. The left are dictating everything in life that we are to do, say and believe. To do this, they have a DOUBLE standard where the left and the oppressed criminals get a pass and everyone of the good people on the right are called the real criminals because of the way we think. Just think about this, We have a so called president in the white house that is supposed to represent all of Americans, but he doesn't. He has come out and on multiple occasions said the Maga and ultra maga Americans are BAD. Think about what MAGA means? I know from his mental limitations he does not really know what MAGA means (he is just reading the words from cue cards or the teleprompter). There isn't a day that he doesn't lie about something. His latest is about H****r. The sad part of it all the FBI, Department of Justice and others are all covering for him and his criminal activities. I think the dam is about to break with more brave whistle blowers coming forward. So now we have the brave Marine stopping an individual who had been arrested 40 times before, with a current warrant out for his arrest. Hitting a 60 something year old woman so hard fracturing her eye socket and yet we have the left wing so called media calling for his blood. If the left winged DA's hadn't released him all those other times this wouldn't have happened. What is happening to this country? In the past we have seen rapes of children by older men and women and the courts said that You could not call it consensual sex because the child even in the teens was under age and too young to make that decision to have sex, yet the left are now saying that those young children are old enough to have their bodies mutilated such that they will never have the ability to have children. Too late for that child to grow up, change their mind or meet a person that wants to have a family, TOO LATE, because some left winger pushed the m********n agenda. As I have said before, what has happened to our county, where has it gone. Who will fight for us? China is gong to eat our lunch if something doesn't change. Even if they have 2 or 3 times the attrition rate, they have more than enough to survive. We are in a world of HURT and the left ignores it. They say those are not your children. Remember Obama started it by saying you did not raise your children, "THE VILLAGE DID". Do you remember? Now the left wants to take away your say over raising and schooling your children! 

DC Loc: Washington state

Kerry you are right but it is more than control it is really a battle of good vs evil and t***h vs lies. It use to be the differences in political parties was more of a philosophical approach to governing, each party had a different approach but it wasn't mainly a moral difference but now it is mainly a moral issue not just philosophical differences. What is going on now in our country is morally evil at it's core and built on a foundation of lies and disregard for the t***h or the good of the nation on whole. yes it is a battle for control but it is what is going to be in control good or evil at the very heart it is a spiritual battle being waged for the very soul of our nation are we going to stand for what is good or let evil reighn.

Kerry Hansen Loc: Bremerton, WA

Yep even calling Christians bad now. Calling those who would turn the cheek bad. Like those who persecuted and k**led Jesus.

Papa D Loc: Mantweeka, Ca

Unless the Marine can successfully argue that he knew of the criminal acts committed by the man he k**led, he can not use it alone to defend his use of deadly force. If he did know, it would raise the issue of whether or not it could be considered an act of vigilantism.

I also think that it would be hard for the Marine to argue that he didn't know that choking could be fatal.

Knowing what t***spired prior to and at the onset of physical confrontation (was there shoving, arms cocked, weapons brandished, etc) will be critical in the Marine's defense. Unfortunately, the videos that have been released so far don't start early enough -- hopefully the incident was caught by surveillance cameras.

Unless there was a weapon involved, he's likely to be held criminally and/or civilly accountable for the homicide.

In response to your "What is happening to this country?" question, the answer is simple "NOTHING". The mentally ill have been caught in the same revolving door that's been kept spinning under every administration (both left and right) for as long as I can remember.

On a personal note, my biggest worry as I approach my sunset years is "Who's going to make sure my adult mentally ill son takes his meds when I'm gone."

PapaD

DC Loc: Washington state

yes that is a big issue. we have a similar issue in our family. it is compounded by the government working against family members trying to care for their family members and "care facilities" not honoring guardianship papers or medical power of attorney papers if they don't want to.

Kerry Hansen Loc: Bremerton, WA

I would like to ask why admin considered some of what I said as "OFF TOPIC" and deleted it? Kinda like the word I started my response off on and what is happening in this country.