Maybe it's time for Oregon to alter the regulations. Snag one and done. However dog salmon aren't good for anything but dog food or halibut bait. In Ak. snagging is allowed after a certain date. Or just hook 'em in the mouth.
Uncle Joe wrote:
Maybe it's time for Oregon to alter the regulations. Snag one and done. However dog salmon aren't good for anything but dog food or halibut bait. In Ak. snagging is allowed after a certain date. Or just hook 'em in the mouth.
fresh from the salt chum that are bleed and cared for are not bad BBQed or smoked. snagging down here should not be allowed. even the old fish in the river serve a purpose for assuring future runs, as well as the general health of the river's ecosystem
Very troubling to hear what you have observed with regard to snagging. The issue was dealt with in Michigan many years ago and nowadays, for the most part, the problem is a thing of the past. There are always exceptions, but those who know the law and related conservation issues are happy to "do it right" when it comes to catching Great Lakes salmon.
If possible, a fairly inexpensive way to try and halt the snagging would be to "shame" people into realizing how unsporting it is. Perhaps a carefully worded sign, with quick to read content, could be posted in proximity to where folks are parking and/or fishing in these areas? Once they become a minority in terms of the number of people snagging fish, hopefully it would be hard to do it in front of others.
In the grand scheme of things, some people just don't get it when it comes to the good ole' "honor system"...and they probably are the ones who look for loopholes in every aspect of life.
Whitey wrote:
Just keep trying to do what you can π I know a guy and his wife that lives out there and the way he talks most people just don't give a. Well you know. Good luck π
Mom lives there ,I buy my yearly license, fishing, crabbing,clams & salmon, I've personally never met what your talking about, Uncle in Astoria, Aunt in Warrenton, Cousin in Vancouver Wa., Aunt in Corvallis, 2 cousins Roseburg, My Brother in Coos Bay, all Fishermen and women / Hunting or Husbands, they don't talk like that , they respect the land & bounty, maybe it's just your buddy ? I dont know but I wouldnt talk about your state unless you've actually fished or hunted their, was your friend named C?
Jarheadfishnfool wrote:
Mom lives there ,I buy my yearly license, fishing, crabbing,clams & salmon, I've personally never met what your talking about, Uncle in Astoria, Aunt in Warrenton, Cousin in Vancouver Wa., Aunt in Corvallis, 2 cousins Roseburg, My Brother in Coos Bay, all Fishermen and women / Hunting or Husbands, they don't talk like that , they respect the land & bounty, maybe it's just your buddy ? I dont know but I wouldnt talk about your state unless you've actually fished or hunted their, was your friend named C?
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And that's not even counting the Fishing Stage Friends from Oregon,,
Bluetarheel wrote:
Have fished around the world (retired soldier) but only came to Oregon recently. Went recently to Kilchis River to see & catch my first chum salmon (dog salmon). Where I was there was a tremendous number of fish. There were 4 or 5 fishermen who caught two while I was there. BUT there were 25 or 30 people just snagging fish. Chum salmon are all catch & release and there are only two rivers in Oregon where it is legal to target chum. These people, not fishermen, snagged at least 300 just in the time I was there. Took chunks out of their sides. You could see them relocate to a pool and try to recover. Some died right away, and I imagine the stress affected their spawning. I said something to a couple of them about the damage they were doing and the ethics. Wasted my breath. There were fathers teaching their sons how to do this and even a husband teaching his wife while the toddler played on the bank (no life jacket). Families with picnic baskets, too.
Went to Eagle Creek to catch coho. There were probably 15 people at the log jam snagging the coho. Legal limit is two. Most were taking four or five with them when they left.
To top off my adventures I went to the hatcheries on the Lewis and Kalama. Snaggers all over the banks at the Lewis and this is AT the hatchery. At the Kalama there is a huge sign stating that you cannot cast past this point even if standing below it. Watched one fisherman comply and four people casting beyond the sign.
What is it about Oregon that encourages this behavior. Is is because true sportsmen are being silent about fish and fishing? I have never seen this audacity anywhere else.
Have fished around the world (retired soldier) but... (
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When you See something ,Say Something for Lords Sake!!
Bluetarheel wrote:
Have fished around the world (retired soldier) but only came to Oregon recently. Went recently to Kilchis River to see & catch my first chum salmon (dog salmon). Where I was there was a tremendous number of fish. There were 4 or 5 fishermen who caught two while I was there. BUT there were 25 or 30 people just snagging fish. Chum salmon are all catch & release and there are only two rivers in Oregon where it is legal to target chum. These people, not fishermen, snagged at least 300 just in the time I was there. Took chunks out of their sides. You could see them relocate to a pool and try to recover. Some died right away, and I imagine the stress affected their spawning. I said something to a couple of them about the damage they were doing and the ethics. Wasted my breath. There were fathers teaching their sons how to do this and even a husband teaching his wife while the toddler played on the bank (no life jacket). Families with picnic baskets, too.
Went to Eagle Creek to catch coho. There were probably 15 people at the log jam snagging the coho. Legal limit is two. Most were taking four or five with them when they left.
To top off my adventures I went to the hatcheries on the Lewis and Kalama. Snaggers all over the banks at the Lewis and this is AT the hatchery. At the Kalama there is a huge sign stating that you cannot cast past this point even if standing below it. Watched one fisherman comply and four people casting beyond the sign.
What is it about Oregon that encourages this behavior. Is is because true sportsmen are being silent about fish and fishing? I have never seen this audacity anywhere else.
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Ever heard the good ol saying " call the cops" ? I have been salmon / steelhead fishing and assisted a buddy in reporting the crimes you witnessed. The dummy had all his gear taken and huge tickets that probably led to jailtime. No it's not an Oregon thing. It is some scumbags that haven't been reported.
flyguy wrote:
That is not a good thing, Does Oregan have a tip line, I think I would use it.
yes. Poaching is just as illegal here as it is anywhere. Anyone witnessing this should of reported it.
Bluetarheel wrote:
I have contacted ODFW on two occasions, including at the Kilchis. They are aware and concerned. They even ask for assistance from anglers. The state police are responsible for enforcement, but they cannot be everywhere and this not the first priority. In Washington on the Columbia the sheriff departments are involved and appear to do a good job. I have heard many stories of Washington sheriff departments or game wardens setting up with binoculars, getting the evidence, and then confronting the individuals.
My frustration is that we, the anglers, condone this and now it is accepted practice in Oregon. I moved here from Texas, and I know the sportsmen police their own there whether it is poaching, trashing public areas or giving the public reasons to complain.
Frustrating, but I donβt have the answer. Thanks for listening.
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Who ever told you that poaching in Oregon is an accepted practice? It's not acceptable. You witnessed it and should call the local Sheriff or Police Agency. Any Law Enforcement Agent can write tickets and confiscate gear.
Whitey wrote:
Just keep trying to do what you can π I know a guy and his wife that lives out there and the way he talks most people just don't give a. Well you know. Good luck π
Lives out where? Don't give a what about what? Your buddy doesn't care about poachers or .....Just curious. Anyone assuming the majority of Oregonians and Law Enforcement don't care about poaching is very false.
Jeremy wrote:
Ever heard the good ol saying " call the cops" ? I have been salmon / steelhead fishing and assisted a buddy in reporting the crimes you witnessed. The dummy had all his gear taken and huge tickets that probably led to jailtime. No it's not an Oregon thing. It is some scumbags that haven't been reported.
glad to hear they still respo d where you live in our area of the PNW the police ate so under staffed and over worked unless a shooting is involved you have to wait a long long time for any response if ever so I seriously doubt they would show up for a snagging complaint.
Bluetarheel wrote:
Have fished around the world (retired soldier) but only came to Oregon recently. Went recently to Kilchis River to see & catch my first chum salmon (dog salmon). Where I was there was a tremendous number of fish. There were 4 or 5 fishermen who caught two while I was there. BUT there were 25 or 30 people just snagging fish. Chum salmon are all catch & release and there are only two rivers in Oregon where it is legal to target chum. These people, not fishermen, snagged at least 300 just in the time I was there. Took chunks out of their sides. You could see them relocate to a pool and try to recover. Some died right away, and I imagine the stress affected their spawning. I said something to a couple of them about the damage they were doing and the ethics. Wasted my breath. There were fathers teaching their sons how to do this and even a husband teaching his wife while the toddler played on the bank (no life jacket). Families with picnic baskets, too.
Went to Eagle Creek to catch coho. There were probably 15 people at the log jam snagging the coho. Legal limit is two. Most were taking four or five with them when they left.
To top off my adventures I went to the hatcheries on the Lewis and Kalama. Snaggers all over the banks at the Lewis and this is AT the hatchery. At the Kalama there is a huge sign stating that you cannot cast past this point even if standing below it. Watched one fisherman comply and four people casting beyond the sign.
What is it about Oregon that encourages this behavior. Is is because true sportsmen are being silent about fish and fishing? I have never seen this audacity anywhere else.
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Do you need us all to pitch in and buy a phone for you to document poachers and call them in?
DC wrote:
glad to hear they still respo d where you live in our area of the PNW the police ate so under staffed and over worked unless a shooting is involved you have to wait a long long time for any response if ever so I seriously doubt they would show up for a snagging complaint.
If someone just goes online to tell people globally instead of reporting them no one will ever respond.
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