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Aug 23, 2021 18:32:31   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
Jeremy wrote:
Who cares...everyone sees what everyone posts on here the difference is some actually can answer simple questions.

They don't use a public forum to antagonize people thinking its a show like bullies do.

So no Google....No News sites....No newspapers....Just imagination?

Ive posted, exactly, where I've received anything I've posted. I'm not sure what you want me to do. It was clear for all to see. Sometimes when a person is looking for something specific to respond to that's all they will see but I HAVE posted, several times, where I hear things. I, fully, understand the Seattle times is media but in that same post I confirmed where I heard it and it wasn't me searching the media. But I will repeat, for your benefit, it was sent to me, via text, by a close friend who lives in the Seattle area.

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Aug 23, 2021 18:37:08   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
[quote=Catfish hunter][quote=Jeremy]You completely missed the point as usual.

You claimed more than once that you never get information from Social Media or the Media. I asked if its your horse? Your DOG? The stars? You claim this has nothing to do with the conversation. I don't really care if opinions are different. It is a matter of fact on this topic. If I have to keep explaining to you how this is completely to do with this topic it shows your mentality. I am an idiot in your opinion. A Retired Government guy will always be an idiot in your opinion. That in itself will always stand in your way for understanding anything I type.

So once again all the information you have posted claiming is factual...if not ever from Social Media or Media ( Seattle Times is Media BTW )....what is your source?

When you post about daughter saying Germany is so much better than USA....Is that anything to do with your topic? The Topic is still the topic. You go on posting that Jeremy this....and Jeremy that...Back it up.[/quote

Ok. To ease the tension. Let's just forget what you think I said and assume I get ALL of my information from social media and news sources. Not that it matters but it appears that's what you're stuck on with me. I'm just trying to alleviate anything that will help you stay on track and not have to look for things to ridicule me about. It might be fairly easy if you could just force yourself to respect that I have an opinion that's different from yours like I do with you. I guess I'm not seeing the it's ME antagonizing anyone. I mean I didn't even ask you to participate. You did that voluntarily all by yourself. Seems to me if you feel attacked or threatened by someone you might think about not following them around trying to get involved in everything they try to say. Does asking someone if they get their information from a dog, a horse or the stars seem rational to you? Just asking . Maybe just don't offer your negative antics when they're not asked for and life would be simpler for you. Or is your goal something else here? I'm not antagonizing you or anyone else. I'm not praying on people and you didn't "ask" to to stop preying on you. You called me every dirty name in the book and replied to me more times than I did to you. Care to see some screen shots?[/quote]


POST all the dirty names I called you...go right ahead.


The only thing I asked is what is your source of information if it is NEVER social Media or the Media? You obviously can not. Impossible.


By the way No I do not feel attacked. I know you do you have whined about it in the past. I know you get a kick out of messing ( antagonizing ) people you have bragged about the thrill you get from it. It is nothing new.

You quit Fishingstage twice due to your actions. You Cowardly returned.

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Aug 23, 2021 18:40:37   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
Catfish hunter wrote:
Ive posted, exactly, where I've received anything I've posted. I'm not sure what you want me to do. It was clear for all to see. Sometimes when a person is looking for something specific to respond to that's all they will see but I HAVE posted, several times, where I hear things. I, fully, understand the Seattle times is media but in that same post I confirmed where I heard it and it wasn't me searching the media. But I will repeat, for your benefit, it was sent to me, via text, by a close friend who lives in the Seattle area.
Ive posted, exactly, where I've received anything ... (show quote)


You did then get it from Media or Social Media. The least you could do is admit it. Who cares if your buddy sent it or you read it on a bathroom wall. The fact is it is Social Media or the Media. Once again. Reality is different than statements.

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Aug 23, 2021 18:53:36   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
Jeremy wrote:
You did then get it from Media or Social Media. The least you could do is admit it. Who cares if your buddy sent it or you read it on a bathroom wall. The fact is it is Social Media or the Media. Once again. Reality is different than statements.

I apologize for the confusion. I don't get things, personally, from social media or the news but I do know people who do. I'll try to be more specific in the future. You may have also noticed where I said what I heard was probably not true right?

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Aug 23, 2021 18:56:32   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
Jeremy wrote:
You did then get it from Media or Social Media. The least you could do is admit it. Who cares if your buddy sent it or you read it on a bathroom wall. The fact is it is Social Media or the Media. Once again. Reality is different than statements.


Yes. Very true "reality" to one person is very much NOT reality to another. I'd like to know where reality comes from if there are no facts to substantiate opinions in many cases. Perception of a statement is also very different among most people. Just like your perception of what I just said. You say I got it from social media or media and should just admit that when in reality I got it from a friend who got it from the Seattle news. I can't really, or shouldn't really, admit to doing something I didn't actually do right? Personal perception. Personal experience is my reality. I'm not a good follower and THAT I can admit.

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Aug 23, 2021 19:17:57   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
Catfish hunter wrote:
Yes. Very true "reality" to one person is very much NOT reality to another. I'd like to know where reality comes from if there are no facts to substantiate opinions in many cases. Perception of a statement is also very different among most people. Just like your perception of what I just said. You say I got it from social media or media and should just admit that when in reality I got it from a friend who got it from the Seattle news. I can't really, or shouldn't really, admit to doing something I didn't actually do right? Personal perception. Personal experience is my reality. I'm not a good follower and THAT I can admit.
Yes. Very true "reality" to one person i... (show quote)


Dude. Your buddy sent you information from the Media. WTF did I miss? The MEDIA is the MEDIA. Social Media is social media. I didn't miss anything. I'm simply saying you get information from Social Medai and the Media no matter how many channels it goes through. You really going to say now that is my opinion that you got it from Media but in your Opinion its not the Media? That is why I asked if you get it from horses...dogs....stars....crop circles.


Now that we have established (I knew all along ) you get information from those two sources. Who cares who forwards it to you. I don't.

OK one more of your complaints was FDA has NOT approved the vaccines. Now they did. One at least. But you complain about the Government anyway. Like many. Well now FDA approved as if the vaccine is any different than it was yesterday its approved.

Its like not thinking ( opinion once again ) a Doctor can help you but the VA doesn't do enough for you. Someone that moved farther from the convenience of it but what good would a VA Doctor do you? You wont utilize the benefits Doctors in the first place...



You do and think whatever you want just don't expect everyone let alone anyone to believe or follow suite. Many have health now after Doctors helped them.


CYA Over and Out ...you can talk pr type to yourself like have in the past when people are done with you on here.

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Aug 23, 2021 22:50:25   #
DC Loc: Washington state
 
good grief now the discussion is rather or not the information comes from the media or social media directly or indirectly or at all? Sadly it really doesn't matter much the source since even our "most trusted" sources have misled us or only given partial truths about this whole pandemic over the past year and half. Sadly it has become very politized which breeds lies instead of truth. I think for the most part most people if they can do any critical thinking at all they can figure out alot of what is said just doesn't seem logical or is in direct conflict with some other "truth" that we have been told. example

we should all wear masks to stop the spread of viruses....then when the smoke is bad we are told the cloth masks and surgical masks will do little good keeping the smoke particles out of our lungs since they can pass through the masks. (wait aren't the covid virus much smaller than the smoke particles??)

Get vaccinated and it will protect you from covid....then...wear masks to protect others from covid (wait if the vaccines protects me from covid then how does wearing a mask protect others from covid and if a mask protects you form covid then why the need to get vaccinated??)

Asymptomatic people are very unlikely to spread covid....then....should wear a mask in public even if you have no symptoms and have been vaccinated because you may still have covid and spread it. (if you asymptomatic spread is very unlikely then why the mask especially if vaccinated?)

Surface spread of covid is rare...then...all surfaces need to be sanitized between use (why if surface spread is rare?)

the unvaccinated are responsible for the spread...then...Those who have been vaccinated need to wear masks to prevent the spread (if it is the unvaccinated who are responsible even if masks were effective why should the vaccinated who are not at risk or responsible for the spread be forced to wear masks???)

and here is one more any information that shows the danger, or ineffectiveness of masks or vaccines must be kept off platforms and news sources even if they are well documented and true...then....All we tell you is true and there is little disagreement. (of course if information is being censored there is no way to know what is true or not true and it shows there is a lot of disagreement just not open and honest about it so it can be fairly evaluated.)

Guess what I am saying evaluate the information based on logic and reason and not necessarily it's source since there no longer is a final authority on what is true and what is not and most likely there is some truth on all sides of the issue and also alot that is not true as well. Both sides also have some very educated and knowledgeable people as well and people with personal stories and experience's that support their position.

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Aug 25, 2021 03:19:23   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
DC wrote:
good grief now the discussion is rather or not the information comes from the media or social media directly or indirectly or at all? Sadly it really doesn't matter much the source since even our "most trusted" sources have misled us or only given partial truths about this whole pandemic over the past year and half. Sadly it has become very politized which breeds lies instead of truth. I think for the most part most people if they can do any critical thinking at all they can figure out alot of what is said just doesn't seem logical or is in direct conflict with some other "truth" that we have been told. example

we should all wear masks to stop the spread of viruses....then when the smoke is bad we are told the cloth masks and surgical masks will do little good keeping the smoke particles out of our lungs since they can pass through the masks. (wait aren't the covid virus much smaller than the smoke particles??)

Get vaccinated and it will protect you from covid....then...wear masks to protect others from covid (wait if the vaccines protects me from covid then how does wearing a mask protect others from covid and if a mask protects you form covid then why the need to get vaccinated??)

Asymptomatic people are very unlikely to spread covid....then....should wear a mask in public even if you have no symptoms and have been vaccinated because you may still have covid and spread it. (if you asymptomatic spread is very unlikely then why the mask especially if vaccinated?)

Surface spread of covid is rare...then...all surfaces need to be sanitized between use (why if surface spread is rare?)

the unvaccinated are responsible for the spread...then...Those who have been vaccinated need to wear masks to prevent the spread (if it is the unvaccinated who are responsible even if masks were effective why should the vaccinated who are not at risk or responsible for the spread be forced to wear masks???)

and here is one more any information that shows the danger, or ineffectiveness of masks or vaccines must be kept off platforms and news sources even if they are well documented and true...then....All we tell you is true and there is little disagreement. (of course if information is being censored there is no way to know what is true or not true and it shows there is a lot of disagreement just not open and honest about it so it can be fairly evaluated.)

Guess what I am saying evaluate the information based on logic and reason and not necessarily it's source since there no longer is a final authority on what is true and what is not and most likely there is some truth on all sides of the issue and also alot that is not true as well. Both sides also have some very educated and knowledgeable people as well and people with personal stories and experience's that support their position.
good grief now the discussion is rather or not the... (show quote)


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Aug 25, 2021 11:08:05   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
Jeremy wrote:
POST all the dirty names I called you...go right ahead.


The only thing I asked is what is your source of information if it is NEVER social Media or the Media? You obviously can not. Impossible.


By the way No I do not feel attacked. I know you do you have whined about it in the past. I know you get a kick out of messing ( antagonizing ) people you have bragged about the thrill you get from it. It is nothing new.

You quit Fishingstage twice due to your actions. You Cowardly returned.
POST all the dirty names I called you...go right a... (show quote)


Naw!! I could, easily, post your PMs to me but I won’t stoop to that childish level. I’ve already told many who asked through PM.

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Aug 25, 2021 11:32:56   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
Jeremy wrote:
Dude. Your buddy sent you information from the Media. WTF did I miss? The MEDIA is the MEDIA. Social Media is social media. I didn't miss anything. I'm simply saying you get information from Social Medai and the Media no matter how many channels it goes through. You really going to say now that is my opinion that you got it from Media but in your Opinion its not the Media? That is why I asked if you get it from horses...dogs....stars....crop circles.


Now that we have established (I knew all along ) you get information from those two sources. Who cares who forwards it to you. I don't.

OK one more of your complaints was FDA has NOT approved the vaccines. Now they did. One at least. But you complain about the Government anyway. Like many. Well now FDA approved as if the vaccine is any different than it was yesterday its approved.

Its like not thinking ( opinion once again ) a Doctor can help you but the VA doesn't do enough for you. Someone that moved farther from the convenience of it but what good would a VA Doctor do you? You wont utilize the benefits Doctors in the first place...



You do and think whatever you want just don't expect everyone let alone anyone to believe or follow suite. Many have health now after Doctors helped them.


CYA Over and Out ...you can talk pr type to yourself like have in the past when people are done with you on here.
Dude. Your buddy sent you information from the Me... (show quote)


The part where I said the information I heard from a friends was probably not true. 🤷‍♂️

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Aug 25, 2021 11:35:08   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
Jeremy wrote:
Dude. Your buddy sent you information from the Media. WTF did I miss? The MEDIA is the MEDIA. Social Media is social media. I didn't miss anything. I'm simply saying you get information from Social Medai and the Media no matter how many channels it goes through. You really going to say now that is my opinion that you got it from Media but in your Opinion its not the Media? That is why I asked if you get it from horses...dogs....stars....crop circles.


Now that we have established (I knew all along ) you get information from those two sources. Who cares who forwards it to you. I don't.

OK one more of your complaints was FDA has NOT approved the vaccines. Now they did. One at least. But you complain about the Government anyway. Like many. Well now FDA approved as if the vaccine is any different than it was yesterday its approved.

Its like not thinking ( opinion once again ) a Doctor can help you but the VA doesn't do enough for you. Someone that moved farther from the convenience of it but what good would a VA Doctor do you? You wont utilize the benefits Doctors in the first place...



You do and think whatever you want just don't expect everyone let alone anyone to believe or follow suite. Many have health now after Doctors helped them.


CYA Over and Out ...you can talk pr type to yourself like have in the past when people are done with you on here.
Dude. Your buddy sent you information from the Me... (show quote)


That’s true and I agree with you. The flip side is many are dead now because doctors “helped them”. It’s not all just the way YOU see it.

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Oct 21, 2021 18:02:03   #
JimRed Loc: Coastal New Jersey, Belmar area
 
"One gentleman on here even said “let all the unvaccinated die off so the rest of us responsible people can have a normal life”."

I must plead guilty to having said something similar, but about those who CHOOSE to be users of (un-prescribed and addictive) drugs. Stop expending resources to save them when they OD. By that reasoning if I get COVID again (unlikely with natural immunity) they should decline to treat me.

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Oct 22, 2021 10:23:00   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
JimRed wrote:
"One gentleman on here even said “let all the unvaccinated die off so the rest of us responsible people can have a normal life”."

I must plead guilty to having said something similar, but about those who CHOOSE to be users of (un-prescribed and addictive) drugs. Stop expending resources to save them when they OD. By that reasoning if I get COVID again (unlikely with natural immunity) they should decline to treat me.


And you’d be better off if they didn’t.👍 another gentleman died in Wyoming yesterday. Fully vaccinated and died from “complications of covid 19”. The hospital there is experiencing an increase in positive covid tests and 63% have been, previously, vaccinated. The people were all symptomatic🤷‍♂️. The hospital in my home town is one of 4 testing facilities there. I had covid as well. Either that or the worst case of the flu I’ve ever had over a year ago. I didn’t get tested. I haven’t been sick since. Most people I know who’ve be vaccinated have been sick several times and have tested positive for covid each time they’ve gotten sick and got tested. Puzzling.

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Oct 28, 2021 11:00:49   #
sengfarmer Loc: langlade county, wi
 
Thank you catfish for being a voice of reason on here. My daughter is a radiologist technician in a large hospital network. She says the hospital is filled up with people who are sick from all different things and this has never happened before at this time of the year. She thinks it's complications from the vaccine.

A lot of people are either truly dense or have blinders on to not realize what is being done, and now they are going to start poisoning the children for a "flu" that has almost 0 effect on them.

So now that we have this "deadly disease" let's fire 40% of the hospital workers that refuse to put this experimental poison into their bodies. They are on the front lines, they can see what is going on.

Let's also fire the 40 to 50% of the workers that have enough sense not to be the guinea pigs for this experiment.

I prefer to be a member of the control group. I'll certainly take the jab if it proves out to be beneficial but the way it's going now that does not seem to be the case.

One more thing, why isn't Congress and all their staff not mandated to get the vaccine? Why are the vaccine companies not held liable for their products?

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Oct 28, 2021 15:54:42   #
Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.
 
sengfarmer wrote:
Thank you catfish for being a voice of reason on here. My daughter is a radiologist technician in a large hospital network. She says the hospital is filled up with people who are sick from all different things and this has never happened before at this time of the year. She thinks it's complications from the vaccine.

A lot of people are either truly dense or have blinders on to not realize what is being done, and now they are going to start poisoning the children for a "flu" that has almost 0 effect on them.

So now that we have this "deadly disease" let's fire 40% of the hospital workers that refuse to put this experimental poison into their bodies. They are on the front lines, they can see what is going on.

Let's also fire the 40 to 50% of the workers that have enough sense not to be the guinea pigs for this experiment.

I prefer to be a member of the control group. I'll certainly take the jab if it proves out to be beneficial but the way it's going now that does not seem to be the case.

One more thing, why isn't Congress and all their staff not mandated to get the vaccine? Why are the vaccine companies not held liable for their products?
Thank you catfish for being a voice of reason on h... (show quote)


Liable,,, and here we go,,,what's next? Mr. Trump Super Soniced the Vaccine if I remember right, just don't get the Vaccine ,that's your right, but then don't complain and moan, I personally can't stand to be referred to as a sheep or goat, stay within your agenda, and don't tell me what you think as right Jeezus Christ already,,,

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