Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)

P****r and the WHO reports “ the benefits of the c***d v*****e far outweigh the risks” I wonder if they meant that for those who’ve lost a loved one from the v*****e. I’d say there wasn’t much of a benefit at all for those who’ve died from it.

audigger53 Loc: Severn, MD

Really? Who has lost a "Loved One" from the v*****e?
And witch of the 3 V*****es used in the states? J&J is the only one of 3 that uses the Egg for the v*****e.
Now how many Unv******ted have died from the D Strain?
What % of the total population or even the total of the v******ted people?
So what are the %'s? How many would have died without it?
Now that the Children are catching it with the D Strain, will that change peoples minds?
They didn't seem to care about the Nursing homes or Grand Parents before did they?
Mederna and Phizer are looking to be passed by the CDC shortly.
Now IF someone has an existing problem with the v*****e, as a couple members do, then they should NOT take it and have written statement from their Doctor. And that they are a "Real" Doctor. IMO

Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)

The risk it could possibly k**l is enough for some to say no. I only know of two people who have died from it and I’m sure they have loved ones. Of the over 350 million legal citizens, according to Biden, in the U.S. I’m only one and I don’t watch the media. I’m not sure of the exact number of people who have died from the v*****e but I would bet most of them have loved ones.
It’s only been a year so we really don’t know how many will die from either the v*****e or the v***s yet. V******ted or not. Too early to tell. We’re all being asked to be lab rats right now so it’s a crap shoot at best.
I wasn’t aware the CDC could pass anything. I was under the impression it was the FDA that was the deciding organization to evaluate and authorize the use of a v*****e. 🤷‍♂️
I still believe we all should have the right to chose what we want to do with our own lives. Unless we are proving to be harmful to others, which we are not, people should not be telling other people how they should do things. Just my opinion.
I know anyone can find both sides to any event on the internet. It greatly depends on what an individual decides to believe as to how they research. I’ve found answers to any question anyone has asked on here, found sites and posted them. Does that make it fact? Not necessarily. I could find the opposite quite easily as well.
When I heard hospitals are seeing elevated cases of children with c***d I looked around and found many conflicting reports. Some say the children are just being labeled “c***d” when they’re not, some say children are “getting the Delta variant”. Most are saying it the “SRV v***s which has nothing to do with c***d”. As one person on here stated earlier “a child drowned in NC and was labeled “ died from c***d”. And officer, in Colorado died from a gunshot wound but was labeled “officer dies from c***d” he was c***d positive but the gunshot wound was cause of death not the v***s. We just don’t know any more.
The %? Your guess is as good as mine. But the facts are not available to all. Just what they want to believe is what people see as facts. Too many “facts” that are one way or the other.
I just practice being safe and feel like I’m doing my part. I don’t go many places and I don’t get close to people I don’t know. It just seems a little odd to me that the unv******ted are being blamed for the influx of new cases of c***d when there’s such a big rate of breakthrough cases and people spreading the v***s who ARE v******ted. 🤷‍♂️

Critter Loc: Warwick New York

You nailed it on the head, millions of ppl v******ted so far. And yes by the grace of the maker a few have died from the v*****e my heart an prayers go out to them and family. I worry about my loved ones with the v*****e but I also worry about them catching the v***s. All I can say is it’s your choice and yours only! choose as you feel comfortable doing.




uote=audigger53]Really? Who has lost a "Loved One" from the v*****e?
And witch of the 3 V*****es used in the states? J&J is the only one of 3 that uses the Egg for the v*****e.
Now how many Unv******ted have died from the D Strain?
What % of the total population or even the total of the v******ted people?
So what are the %'s? How many would have died without it?
Now that the Children are catching it with the D Strain, will that change peoples minds?
They didn't seem to care about the Nursing homes or Grand Parents before did they?
Mederna and Phizer are looking to be passed by the CDC shortly.
Now IF someone has an existing problem with the v*****e, as a couple members do, then they should NOT take it and have written statement from their Doctor. And that they are a "Real" Doctor. IMO[/quote]

Able Man Loc: North Coast (Cleveland, Ohio)

I'm no doctor... I sometimes hear a local Preacher on the radio, who does have various doctors as "guests" on his radio broadcast. Over and over, the "advice" has been: "avoid getting v******ted" (for the time being)... "Avoid areas of high incidence of infections" (Kinda hard for ME to do)... Practice "social distancing" and "keep clean". (I've kept a wee bottle of hand-sanitizer h*****g off of a belt loop, for over a decade... I DO believe in "things unseen".)
Right now, there is a news report on the radio, STRONGLY "hinting at" what would amount to MANDATORY v******tions, being "right around the corner"... I'm NOT v******ted; I am 99.9+% sure that I had "a dose of this bug", over a year ago... My personal G.P. has "advised against" me getting v******ted... I'm scheduled to see a "Liver Doctor" tomorrow, so; I will also be asking HER opinion on the subject.
I've BEEN v******ted for all kinds of stuff in the past; so, it's NOT as though I am against the idea of v*****es, in general... This, what's going on right now, just seems very unusual.

audigger53 Loc: Severn, MD

Here's the Deal as I see it. You can get the v*****e and still get the D version. But it hits you not as hard.
You can say NOT me and IF you get it, spread it to others before you realize you have it. So how many are YOU going to hospitalize or k**l from your own, "I am more important than my parents, family, or friends, or strangers?
It is a PUBLIC HEALTH Issue. The CDC and NIH have already stated that almost all of the ones the died from Covis after being v******ted already had it. IMO the only thing that can cure stupid is "Mother Nature". C***d is playing Mother Nature. Good Luck and God Bless to all of you that care get the shots and won't. BTW if you are old enough to remember the Polio v*****es, we were lined up in grade school and first got shots at school then a couple years later sugar cubes. Did they ask us kids if we wanted it? No because it was a childhood disease that crippled. Parents wanted it to protect their children. Now that C***d D is hitting small children, will you get v******ted to protect them? Face the Facts, not the BS on the Net.
People on the NET lie as much or more than the "Newscasters" on TV.
The Newscasters had to thread a fine line so they don't get fired when ratings drop.

Blackdog Loc: Round Rock, TX

Yeah, I heard Arnold Schwarzenegger today. Screw your freedom (rights). Of course the media gets it wrong. His point was....Freedom isn't free and sometimes we ALL have to pitch in to beat the enemy. If you can, you should get v******ted.

Yeah, I also get that some people are immune c*********d, for those people, please move to the back of the room and remain unv******ted, it's okay, for rest of you, man up.

Blackdog Loc: Round Rock, TX

Wait....Did I just post in the freaking attic???
I have to remember to stay out of here.....

Carry On

BD

Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.

Yes you did, but you said the right thing , let's not wait for our children to get sick for the sake of individual freedoms, as Audigger mentioned about the polio v*****e, and the sugar cube, let's not be selfish and make it a political issue, Mr. Trump and family were v******ted. As Black dog said let's man up, btw BD I had a black Labrador for 14 years my JoJo,,,,,,,,,,,

DC Loc: Washington state

aw come on now blackdog that didn't even hurt now did it? The more that post in the attic the better. Yes freedom is not free those that served, died and came home wounded can attest to that. So to me the question is just that why are we so willing to give up freedoms and change our country in many ways based on a v***s that only has a .05% k**l rate, those freedoms we so willingly give up were paid for in blood and should be held on to and defended. Again I say i have been v******ted and anyone who wants to can be v******ted we know v******tions have about a 75% success rate We know something like 6-7000 individuals have died due to complications of the v******tion we know those under 25 have very little danger from c***d, we know masks mandates and lockdowns made very little difference in infection rates across our country and the world in the last year, we know children still have very low rates of complications due to any strain of c***d, we know even among the medical community there is disagreement on the v*****e (which is why they have to mandate it to get medical workers to all take it), as well as the effectiveness and even the safety of children being forced to wear masks, We also know there is a real campaign to keep as much of the evidence even from medical experts that disagree with the accepted policy and mandates off of the air and out of social media. All this shows none of this is settled science and there are experts and facts and statistics on all sides of the argument so I would say all this means we should hold on to our freedom to speak, and choose what we feel is best for ourselves and our family and allow other to exercise the same freedoms and stop taking away those freedoms that did not come with out a cost.

Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.

DC what freedoms are you giving up? The campaign against the world?Hopefully none of our grandchildren are exposed or get sick ,everybody has kids, do you remember when they would get sick when young? How we all felt and prayed?

DC Loc: Washington state

freedom to choose what medical care I will have if v*****es are mandated. The freedom of association if lock downs come back and the freedom to worship as I choose if churches are closed again for a few. But concerning our Kids and grandkids. From the very beginning up to present all data has shown kids are at very little risk from c***d and there has been studies that show they are at greater risk from wearing masks with the co2 levels rising in their bodies as the result as well as other health risks. There has been increase in some heart conditions among the young as the result of the v*****e and the suicide rate among the youth has risen as the result of isolation and abuse resulting from schools being closed and lock downs in homes. The t***h is our kids and grandkids have suffered far more from all these mandates than any benefit that was gained. So if it was all about the kids then they should not be told they have to get the v*****e, wear masks and the schools should be opened. They are being robed of life Liberty and the pursuit of happiness all for no real benefit to them. Again I say everyone should have the right to wear a mask or don't wear a mask, to be v******ted or not be v******ted, that is what freedom is, Freedom is not having some politician tell me or my kids what they have to do, to be healthy even if what they say may be true, which is not necessarily the case.

Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.

Yes, Life , Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness,good luck to All, stay healthy

Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)

Very true. My opinion is my opinion and I never tell anyone NOT to wear a mask or NOT to get v******ted. I believe in MY rights as well as the rights of others. I don’t say a whole lot any more that I know will fall on one-sided, deaf, ears. Those people are too stuck on their own opinions to accept that we are ALL Americans and have the right to conduct our lives any way we want. I don’t call them i***ts or lacking common sense but they sure do that to me. It’s the difference between me being a patriotic, constitutional minded bi-partisan and those who are leaning so far left they’re ready to tip over at any moment. I don’t catch any flack from extreme right wing supporters at all but the left is a real issue as I see it. That’s extreme left BTW. Those who h**ed Trump and resort to calling him names and making childish remarks are the ones who will do that to anyone who does not share their opinion. The very people who told us all, in the beginning, that children were not at risk of contracting c***d are the ones telling us, now, kids are the target. I don’t fall for any of their BS because they’re going to say the opposite thing tomorrow. I know c***d19 is a, change of function, v***s deliberately designed by our own people to wreak havoc on our country and it’s done just that. I’m not real willing to trust them and I’m damn sure not going to continue take their advice. They’re proposing doing the same exact thing again that didn’t work last time.

Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.

No one made fun of Trump on this thread,,,