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Aug 1, 2021 13:22:27   #
MuskyHunter Loc: Torrington, CT
 
fishyaker wrote:
I'm a loyal St. Croix guy for the most part as well...although I do have some oddball stuff that just seems to have landed in my garage over the years. I like the quality of the assembly they do, and for the most part, when they set the "spine" of the rod up with the guide alignment they are pretty darn close to having the rod perform like it should when you bend in the direction of a "fish on" stature.

I have enjoyed the following 2 St. Croix units for many years:

6' fast action Lite Power 4 piece model Premier-PS60LF4
7' fast action Ultra Lite Power 2 piece model PS70ULF2

In a fast paced "assembly" shop, regardless of location, the technicians may not bother to check that sort of thing. I own some other rods that are fairly good brands, and the spine is offset from the line guides...sometimes by as much as 90 degrees! That being said...and I hope I don't jinx myself, but I have never snapped a rod during use due to this specific issue! It probably takes a lot of strain...and that would not be happening with an ultra light set up going after small trout....

I am kind of picky about smooth epoxy over the guide wraps (no dust or sags), tapered guide foot transitions and no sloppy spaces between thread wraps either. Kind of pet peeves of mine as I used to dabble in rod assembly some years ago.

Good luck on your selection. Can you choose anything about the aesthetics...like cork grip versus synthetic...or line guide whipping colors and guide style?
I'm a loyal St. Croix guy for the most part as wel... (show quote)


Just so you know, St. Croix makes no effort to align the guides on the spine. I have been to the factory and actually discussed with the person putting the guides on the rod. They also told me the spine is not a straight line and that this is an old wives tale. When I saw them wrap the mandrel, before forming the blank, you could see where the spine would be and how it changed position on the mandrel.

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Aug 1, 2021 13:28:08   #
Spiritof27 Loc: Lincoln, CA
 
MuskyHunter wrote:
Just so you know, St. Croix makes no effort to align the guides on the spine. I have been to the factory and actually discussed with the person putting the guides on the rod. They also told me the spine is not a straight line and that this is an old wives tale. When I saw them wrap the mandrel, before forming the blank, you could see where the spine would be and how it changed position on the mandrel.


That is one prevalent old wives tale among rod builders that I've talked to. That's kinda astounding to me to hear that. I wonder who's right?

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Aug 1, 2021 13:33:42   #
MuskyHunter Loc: Torrington, CT
 
Spiritof27 wrote:
That is one prevalent old wives tale among rod builders that I've talked to. That's kinda astounding to me to hear that. I wonder who's right?


I got the info directly from St. Croix and saw it in action. There is no alternate fact I am presenting.

When the guides were put on the blank, the person doing it made 0 effort to find the spine. They picked up a blank from a bin, inserted it into a holder, and then used a laser to create an alignment path for the guides. Then they added the guides.

I do know some rod builders here who also do not make any effort to align guides to a mythical spine. They have also told me this is a marketing myth.

St. Croix makes some of the best rods 'on earth'. They know what they are doing.

Here is a rod building site where they are debating this very issue. Most, it appears, do not look for a spine:

https://www.rodbuilding.org/read.php?2,260838,260902

FS Digest will not present the above link correctly. If you want to go to the page I linked, you will have to copy the entire link (including the numbers at the end) and paste it into a browser.

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Aug 1, 2021 13:48:27   #
Spiritof27 Loc: Lincoln, CA
 
See what it says at the bottom of my posts? Very apropos for this topic. Thanks. If your not very careful . . . . . . .

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Aug 1, 2021 14:35:53   #
Gripnriprod Loc: Concepcion Costa Rica
 
fishyaker wrote:
Good question! Back in the days when I was acquiring many of their rods (St. Croix) for various applications (25 years ago ish), I recall their advertisements saying "fully made in USA". That made a big impression on me. Now don't take this as gospel, but I believe that over the years they may have undergone some changes on this front.

I am now convicted to do a little homework/research and dig deeper! It is indeed hard to find products nowadays that are made of 100% USA components as well as labor for assembly.
Good question! Back in the days when I was acquiri... (show quote)

I just read about a Mojo Inshore Casting Rod. Designed in the US and assembled in Mexico.

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Aug 1, 2021 15:43:31   #
Mr. T
 
I've not used Sougayilang rods, however, if you're looking for something in that price range, my wife, grandson & I used Okuma's Celilo ultra-light spinning rods for trout for years. They're made in China and I no longer buy them, but we never had any problems with them.

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Aug 1, 2021 15:56:04   #
Fredfish Loc: Prospect CT.
 
Gripnriprod wrote:
I just read about a Mojo Inshore Casting Rod. Designed in the US and assembled in Mexico.


Yeah Grip, my Mojo Bass Glass crankbait rod is the same, designed here, made in Mexico.

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Aug 1, 2021 16:01:27   #
SONOFASPUD Loc: S E Virginia
 
Spiritof27 wrote:
Normally I wouldn't be asking about these, because when it comes to rods I am a St Croix kinda guy and I figure you get what you pay for, and for the money SC's are hard to beat. But. I've seen on Amazon - which is about the only place you can buy one that I know of - they for the most part have some pretty good reviews. I'm wondering if anyone on here has any experience with them? I've got my eye on one, an ultralight, that goes for 51.99. That's a pretty good deal if they're worth a damn.
Normally I wouldn't be asking about these, because... (show quote)


Recommend everyone view customer reviews critically. In many cases the reviews relate to the manufacturers complete product line rather than a specific model. For example, the rod you are considering has consumer reviews for both a 5' 9" and a 5' 5" rod in the same rating. Since the manufacturer controls/ publishes the reviews due diligence is likely appropriate.......

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Aug 1, 2021 16:57:31   #
Justoldjim Loc: JUNCTION CITY, OR.
 
Spiritof27 wrote:
Normally I wouldn't be asking about these, because when it comes to rods I am a St Croix kinda guy and I figure you get what you pay for, and for the money SC's are hard to beat. But. I've seen on Amazon - which is about the only place you can buy one that I know of - they for the most part have some pretty good reviews. I'm wondering if anyone on here has any experience with them? I've got my eye on one, an ultralight, that goes for 51.99. That's a pretty good deal if they're worth a damn.
Normally I wouldn't be asking about these, because... (show quote)


Have been wondering the same

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Aug 1, 2021 17:41:01   #
Billycrap2 Loc: Mason county,W(BY GOD) Virginia, πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΈπŸ¦…
 
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Aug 1, 2021 17:42:22   #
Gripnriprod Loc: Concepcion Costa Rica
 
Billycrap2 wrote:
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And stainless guide feet.

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Aug 1, 2021 20:00:43   #
fishyaker Loc: NW Michigan (Lower Peninsula)
 
MuskyHunter wrote:
Just so you know, St. Croix makes no effort to align the guides on the spine. I have been to the factory and actually discussed with the person putting the guides on the rod. They also told me the spine is not a straight line and that this is an old wives tale. When I saw them wrap the mandrel, before forming the blank, you could see where the spine would be and how it changed position on the mandrel.


Hmmm...very interesting! I believe what you are saying...especially since you have seen it first hand! My own personal experience dates back to about 45 years ago when guy in St. Clair Michigan that owned a riverside tackle shop along the St. Clair River gave me some pointers on how to assemble a rod. I was browsing merchandise one day and noticed that he had all the "stuff" needed to put a rod together. I think graphite blanks were just coming into vogue and pricey, so I went with a fiberglass Fenwick for my first go at it. He had made up a leaflet of instructions and made a point to tell me about the spine theory thing...which I had no idea about. Supposedly, it only applied to the "tip" section of a rod, which in most cases was 2 piece anyways.

Sure enough, when I held the rod tip in one hand, and "rolled" the lower end on a hard surface with my palm, you could "feel" the blank "jump"...kind of like finding an index point. Since his description of the process seemed to work when I did it, I was convinced that it really meant something. From that point on I never questioned it, and always put rods together with that in mind. Over the years, I managed to do another half dozen in fiberglass, and then another half dozen from graphite, which in my case all behaved in the same way. In a nutshell, I figured that it did matter, but now I suspect that it was all "hogwash". What does make sense...possibly...is that in the really "old" days, when blank construction methods were crude, maybe there was something to it...but as technology advanced, the whole spine thing simply went away.

So...pardon me if my previous "rant" on this topic seemed off base, as I am now consoled to know that it never really mattered!

Spirit...I think you should go ahead and get that ultra-lite on order! I think it will be a great set up for you...along with those Joe's Spinners! Looking forward to seeing some of your new snapshots! By the way...very nice PB rainbow pictured in your other post!

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Aug 1, 2021 20:50:30   #
Spiritof27 Loc: Lincoln, CA
 
fishyaker wrote:
Hmmm...very interesting! I believe what you are saying...especially since you have seen it first hand! My own personal experience dates back to about 45 years ago when guy in St. Clair Michigan that owned a riverside tackle shop along the St. Clair River gave me some pointers on how to assemble a rod. I was browsing merchandise one day and noticed that he had all the "stuff" needed to put a rod together. I think graphite blanks were just coming into vogue and pricey, so I went with a fiberglass Fenwick for my first go at it. He had made up a leaflet of instructions and made a point to tell me about the spine theory thing...which I had no idea about. Supposedly, it only applied to the "tip" section of a rod, which in most cases was 2 piece anyways.

Sure enough, when I held the rod tip in one hand, and "rolled" the lower end on a hard surface with my palm, you could "feel" the blank "jump"...kind of like finding an index point. Since his description of the process seemed to work when I did it, I was convinced that it really meant something. From that point on I never questioned it, and always put rods together with that in mind. Over the years, I managed to do another half dozen in fiberglass, and then another half dozen from graphite, which in my case all behaved in the same way. In a nutshell, I figured that it did matter, but now I suspect that it was all "hogwash". What does make sense...possibly...is that in the really "old" days, when blank construction methods were crude, maybe there was something to it...but as technology advanced, the whole spine thing simply went away.

So...pardon me if my previous "rant" on this topic seemed off base, as I am now consoled to know that it never really mattered!

Spirit...I think you should go ahead and get that ultra-lite on order! I think it will be a great set up for you...along with those Joe's Spinners! Looking forward to seeing some of your new snapshots! By the way...very nice PB rainbow pictured in your other post!
Hmmm...very interesting! I believe what you are sa... (show quote)


Yeah that's a nice one. I remember thinking at the time, well if that's the last one I ever catch that'll be alright with me. Careful what you wish for.

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Aug 2, 2021 16:56:25   #
MuskyHunter Loc: Torrington, CT
 
fishyaker wrote:

So...pardon me if my previous "rant" on this topic seemed off base, as I am now consoled to know that it never really mattered!


There is nothing off base about your comments. When I was at the St. Croix factory and I asked the rod builder about the spine I was truly surprised as well. I always tested my rods for the jump before I purchased them. Now I never worry about that.

I just buy good rods. I have nine really nice St. Croix rods and I love every one of them. I also put really nice reels on them. I keep my rod and reels forever, so expense isn't a very big deal in that context. Most of my casting reels are over 30 years old.

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Aug 2, 2021 17:21:51   #
Spiritof27 Loc: Lincoln, CA
 
You've told me you use Ambassadeur. Is that right?

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