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Jun 28, 2022 17:55:05   #
Wv mike Loc: Parkersburg area. Wv
 
I got another one today fun fun

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Jun 28, 2022 18:23:14   #
ranger632 Loc: Near Yosemite Park Ca.
 
CRKfish wrote:
Are they an invasive species? Are they any good to eat?


Never seen or heard of one before, Thanks

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Jun 28, 2022 18:38:02   #
Harris T. Fudpucker Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
Not as large as the invasive 'snake head', which can grow to 5' or larger. They are in the waters in Florida. I can't even imagine hooking on to one of those.

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Jun 28, 2022 18:40:51   #
HenryG Loc: Falmouth Cape Cod Massachusetts
 
Harris T. Fudpucker wrote:
Not as large as the invasive 'snake head', which can grow to 5' or larger. They are in the waters in Florida. I can't even imagine hooking on to one of those.


5' really WOW 🇺🇸🎣😳👍

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Jun 28, 2022 18:47:52   #
RuffplayOR57 Loc: Klamath Falls, OR
 
Wv mike wrote:
We don’t see these very often.
Got it on a bitsy bug. The bass bite was decent today after the wind laid down some. Started out with white caps kinda ruff in my 16’ fisher. The top water bite was a no go didn’t try. Did some drop shot and some Texas rigging. Best baits was zoom worm pumpkin chartreuse on Texas rig. And a gulp minnow the color was water melon Perl on the drop shot. The picture is of bowfin. AKA dog fish. Or mud fish. I thought it was a giant bass when it hit.

Glad he gave you some fun, looks like it would have! Nice unusual catch for you Mike. Interesting fish

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Jun 28, 2022 18:49:44   #
RuffplayOR57 Loc: Klamath Falls, OR
 
MNMudminnow wrote:
I will add to the enthusiasm for the Bowfin being one of the hardest fighting fish you'd ever contend with, and do not get near those teeth! They will tear up whatever they decide to bite on in no time...almost like what you'd think a Piranha would do, damage wise. I have caught a handful of large ones at and over the 24 inch mark, and it is a situation you are forced to make a plan for when you find yourself without a landing net & one of these twisting tubes of mean-spirited muscle arguing with you at the side of the boat.

They are actually a very interesting fish, quite unlike any others you may have seen.
The only fish I can suggest as being the slightest bit similar would be the South American "Wolf Fish" from jungle waters of Suriname & Guyana(others), if any of you are familiar with that species.
Anyone interested to know more, do a search of their scientific name ====> Amia calva ("Bowfin")
You might learn something new about one of the oldest North American Native fish species..?

They are in a class all their own. No, really, they are the lone surviving species of their ancient genus that could be correctly called prehistoric. A very aggressive ambush predator that displays protective parental behavior & actively defends their young for a relatively long time after they hatch. They will eat anything they can fit in their mouth and usually are not shy once they decide to eat something. The coolest thing is their dorsal fin that runs all the way down their back in uniform height right to their tail. They move the dorsal in an undulating wave pattern that makes it look like an eel as it ripples almost continuously. They are also capable of surviving in areas of very poor water quality that most other fish will die from. They are able to use air from the surface instead of their gills if their situation requires, as in a muddy puddle that is nearly dry. As long as they can remain moist, they will live.
I will add to the enthusiasm for the Bowfin being ... (show quote)

Very Interesting MNMud. Great info

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Jun 29, 2022 00:46:52   #
Jim Kay Loc: Franklin, Virginia
 
Passingbye wrote:
I thought that's what I was seeing is a Dog fish, don't have those down here


Bowfins/Dogfish are caught up the entire East Coast and west to the mid-west. Maybe even more widespread.

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Jun 29, 2022 08:01:51   #
HenryG Loc: Falmouth Cape Cod Massachusetts
 
Wv mike wrote:
We don’t see these very often.
Got it on a bitsy bug. The bass bite was decent today after the wind laid down some. Started out with white caps kinda ruff in my 16’ fisher. The top water bite was a no go didn’t try. Did some drop shot and some Texas rigging. Best baits was zoom worm pumpkin chartreuse on Texas rig. And a gulp minnow the color was water melon Perl on the drop shot. The picture is of bowfin. AKA dog fish. Or mud fish. I thought it was a giant bass when it hit.


Check off another species on the list Mike ! Nice going🇺🇸🎣😂👍

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Jun 29, 2022 08:28:10   #
Bigmark Loc: Lower Alabama
 
Harris T. Fudpucker wrote:
We have many here in Louisiana. We call them 'chupeak' spelling? Lots of fun on rod and reel, they tend to love shiny baits. Not invasive here, not sure if there. You can eat them, the meat is much like cotton, all ground up. The way they cook them is 'fried' surprise. Clean, roll up in to balls, with pepper, and onion, roll in fish fry, cook. Not bad.


Hi H. T. Fudpucker,
Do they taste anything like a garball when cooked like that? If so I will try um.

Bigmark

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Jun 29, 2022 15:18:55   #
E.pa.al Loc: Martin's Creek
 
Up here Mike the Bowfin is being mistaken for the Snakehead & being killed

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Jun 29, 2022 15:31:54   #
DCGravity Loc: Fairfax, VA (by way of Cleveland OH)
 
E.pa.al wrote:
Up here Mike the Bowfin is being mistaken for the Snakehead & being killed


This is happening in VA as well. It's a darn shame.

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Jun 29, 2022 17:52:53   #
Jim Kay Loc: Franklin, Virginia
 
DCGravity wrote:
This is happening in VA as well. It's a darn shame.


They are actually easy to distinguish from one another and Snake heads are good to eat. Anyone who wants an ID can look them up online.

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Jun 29, 2022 19:48:06   #
MNMudminnow Loc: MN (MSP metro/Alexandria) & FL (Ft.Myers)
 
DCGravity wrote:
This is happening in VA as well. It's a darn shame.


Yes, that is unfortunate.

I would be willing to bet the "Bowfin" might be one of the very few fish that could act as a sort of control for "Snakehead" invasives..?

I kept a couple of young of the year Amia calva in an aquarium a number of years ago. To be clear, the couple that I maintained were not maintained together in the same tank...I had a single specimen on 2 different occasions. Both of them were kept by themself simply because whatever I may have placed into their tank was quickly swallowed whole or torn into more manageable sized pieces. Quite entertaining to watch but keeping them satisfied with enough food is a job in itself. A "scoop" of bait shop minnows might last them overnight, depending on the size of minnow and the "Bowfin," but that can get to be expensive.

The point I was wanting to convey here by my response of it being unfortunate, is because I am in agreement with the position of "Bowfin" being needlessly removed due to misidentification by misinformed removers is a shameful occurrence. Knowing a little about the dietary habits of "Bowfin" tells me they may be able to put a significant dent in the "Snakehead" numbers. I'm not a licensed Biologist of any sort, but if the "Snakeheads" are becoming so numerous they're replacing native fish species to where natives are growing scarce, they should be easy to locate simply due to their high density in that particular environment. If that environment is also home to "Bowfins" their tendency to be heavy feeders would undoubtedly be compelling them to prey on the "Snakeheads" because that's what is there to be eaten compared to the reduced numbers of any other fish species in that habitat. The reputation of "Snakehead" behavior is not that of the calm and friendly variety, but my money is on the native Amia calva to come out the winner of such a challenge.

To summarize, I think it is an unfortunate shame for people to be erroneously removing "Bowfins" for many reasons. What would those people think and feel if it was discovered that "Snakeheads" turn out to be a favorite food of the "Bowfins" they ignorantly have been intentionally killing? What if the "Bowfin" becomes the best method of controlling the expansion of the "Snakehead?" I do not know if there is any possibility of this scenario playing out as I have stated or if it has ever been considered by anyone previously. Hell, the "Bowfin" might even come out to be the loser, regardless of what I may think, I don't know. If someone should happen to conduct a study or experiment using these two species, I would be very interested in the detailed result(s) of such a study or experiment. Of course, I'd expect to at least be credited in the literature somewhere. On the serious side, if you find yourself in a position to assist, please do what you can in order to prevent such disrespectfully wasteful treatment of our resource(s).

If you believe that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, even if not yet discovered, then you must believe there is a cure, antidote, remedy, solution, etc. for everything that exists.
Therefore, every problem has a fix existing somewhere. The only issue we have is if and when it can be found(out). I say this to appeal to the question(s) of uncertainty within the realm of Human knowledge in order to provide the impetus to take a step back, a deep breath, and then look at the world with a slightly more open view that allows you to see further and wider than just to your own immediate horizon. Look for what you cannot physically see in front of you. If you find out you are able to see further than what your eyes permit, then you will understand there is possibility for even the most incredible results to come from the most unexpected of locations.

What if some fungus in that ant hill in the back of your house cures Brain Cancer & you dug into it last week, killed the ants, filled it in with fresh dirt and planted grass over it? Not your fault the cure for Brain Cancer hasn't yet been found, right?

You never know, you know?

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Jun 29, 2022 23:13:11   #
DCGravity Loc: Fairfax, VA (by way of Cleveland OH)
 
Harris T. Fudpucker wrote:
Not as large as the invasive 'snake head', which can grow to 5' or larger. They are in the waters in Florida. I can't even imagine hooking on to one of those.


Here's a good site detailing four different invasive snakehead species now in the US (most appear to be east of the Mississippi) + the bowfin, which is native. The one in FL is the bullseye snakehead.
https://panfishnation.com/bowfin-vs-snakehead/



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Jun 29, 2022 23:21:27   #
DCGravity Loc: Fairfax, VA (by way of Cleveland OH)
 
Jim Kay wrote:
They are actually easy to distinguish from one another and Snake heads are good to eat. Anyone who wants an ID can look them up online.


Northern snakeheads are quite prolific, esp. in the Chesapeake watershed. These I caught in the retention pond behind my house, both on the same whopper plopper 10 min. apart. And yes, they are tasty. These guys ended up breaded and fried that evening.





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