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Jun 5, 2021 09:58:28   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
DC wrote:
you are correct I was comparing the death rate of those who got the v*****e against the entire population so if you subtracted the number of people who got the v*****e from the whole population the death rate among only those who did not get the v*****e would be a little higher although since they were part of the general population before getting the v*****e if you make the comparison post January 2021 then the general death rate of the general population against those who have gotten the v*****e would be more accurate. But I think the results would be about the same and that you would find you are still approximately 60 times more likely to die of c***d if you hadn't gotten the shot vs if you got the shot, but even that most likely is not accurate since the death rate from c***d was already coming down which would have brought the 60 times number significantly down as well. I personally at my age would still get the shot now any way since I think the risk vs benefit still tilts towards the benefit side.
as to your other point the more different sources you can get information from the better, that is why this cancel culture and big media censorship is so dangerous often the accepted "t***h" turns out not to be the t***h at all and those who were branded as t***h deniers end up being the t***h defenders. T***h is not determined by majority opinion. You are correct infallibility does not exist among mankind but I believe God is t***h and He alone in infallible but as God has said in the Bible "your ways are not my ways and your thoughts not my thoughts"
you are correct I was comparing the death rate of ... (show quote)


If c***d19 cases are dropping as fast as “they” say they are it shouldn’t matter now whether you’re v******ted or not to other people. It doesn’t stop the spread of the v***s or people from contracting it. It simply (supposedly) helps those with weaker i****e s****ms to fight it off a littler quicker. It MAY reduce the number of “c***d related” deaths but it’s not designed to even protect others from contracting it. It’s not like it’s making the v***s go away. Science has proven it only speeds up the i****e s****m in those who are deficient to begin with. My i****e s****m is very strong for my age also I don’t I want to manipulate that and make it weaker for other things. The fact that people, even though the numbers are small, are dying just from getting the v*****e makes me take a step back on this one. The numbers are, relatively, small for those dying from the v*****e but we need to keep in mind those numbers are just, recently, being calculated. I feel we’re gonna see the numbers grow as more research is done on deaths FROM the v*****e. Just as we did with death related to the v***s. I, personally, know two people who have died from the v*****e. I know of no one who died from the v***s. Given those statistics the percentages for death from the v*****e are much higher than deaths from the v***s. If 50% of the population has the same experience I’ve had the number of deaths FROM the v*****e will, far, outweigh the the numbers I have for deaths from the v***s. Just my personal experience. Bottom line is we need to think for ourselves and just do what we think is the right thing to do.

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Jun 5, 2021 11:39:17   #
plumbob Loc: New Windsor Maryland
 
Catfish h****r wrote:
If c***d19 cases are dropping as fast as “they” say they are it shouldn’t matter now whether you’re v******ted or not to other people. It doesn’t stop the spread of the v***s or people from contracting it. It simply (supposedly) helps those with weaker i****e s****ms to fight it off a littler quicker. It MAY reduce the number of “c***d related” deaths but it’s not designed to even protect others from contracting it. It’s not like it’s making the v***s go away. Science has proven it only speeds up the i****e s****m in those who are deficient to begin with. My i****e s****m is very strong for my age also I don’t I want to manipulate that and make it weaker for other things. The fact that people, even though the numbers are small, are dying just from getting the v*****e makes me take a step back on this one. The numbers are, relatively, small for those dying from the v*****e but we need to keep in mind those numbers are just, recently, being calculated. I feel we’re gonna see the numbers grow as more research is done on deaths FROM the v*****e. Just as we did with death related to the v***s. I, personally, know two people who have died from the v*****e. I know of no one who died from the v***s. Given those statistics the percentages for death from the v*****e are much higher than deaths from the v***s. If 50% of the population has the same experience I’ve had the number of deaths FROM the v*****e will, far, outweigh the the numbers I have for deaths from the v***s. Just my personal experience. Bottom line is we need to think for ourselves and just do what we think is the right thing to do.
If c***d19 cases are dropping as fast as “they” sa... (show quote)


With the so called declines here why are the Olympics' being held in a country the locals say don't come?

We lived nearly a year and a half without watching the over paid so called athletes, i think i could make it another year not watching the want to be an athletes.

Kids will be kids you can't tell me they are going to stay quarantined in solo dorms so many miles away. Heck mom and dad will be with many and they are just as bad.

H**e to say it but i think if it is as bad as they say and not under control, the c***d #'s will be on the rise even before the Olympics' are over.

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Jun 5, 2021 13:23:20   #
JimRed Loc: Coastal New Jersey, Belmar area
 
Catfish h****r wrote:
You are pretty close and the v*****e count has just started. It’s not gonna be pretty any way you do the math.


A prominent virologist has stated that the v******ted will be dead in two years. From something called Antibody Dependent Enhancement.

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Jun 5, 2021 15:25:24   #
FixorFish Loc: SW Oregon
 
JimRed wrote:
A prominent virologist has stated that the v******ted will be dead in two years. From something called Antibody Dependent Enhancement.


Name him(her), JimRed... give us a link to this statement.

I keep reading this thread, I guess for the entertainment value (?), kinda like turning on OAN, Newsmax, or Tucker C. on Fox.....as my father often said, "better the Devil you know.....".

I would address each and every falsehood in the past few posts, but I simply feel it would be a waste of time, the posters obviously have their minds made up and are doing a swell job of parroting the phrases and wildly far-out speculations of the "drum beaters for resistance to reality".

I find several of the above posts to not only contain pure b.s., but in fact, call to question as to whether you even care or want this tragic p******c to come to some manageable mitigation, if not true abatement.
We, of the camp---"the entire nation needs to COLLECTIVELY resolve this problem"---are spending waaaay too much time backtracking on our slow progress, because we have to come back and grab you forth, kicking and screaming, into proceeding FORWARD to get past this setback. You are d**gging us ALL down with your "petulant child who refuses to eat brussel sprouts, because he 'heard' they didn't taste good" behavior. Didn't try to taste and come up with a conclusion of their own, but instead, opted to go with.... "I'm too scared to look out from under the covers, to see if the 'monster' under my bed is actually real".

I truly have empathy for the above posters. I always attempt to see things from every perspective available to me from every possible source, watching ALL the cable news channels, subscribe to 3 newspapers, have online subscriptions to several podcasts from disparate points of view, all in seeking to make an informed decision about all of it, based on MY informed interpretation, ( I freely admit that 'qualification' is mine and mine alone) am sure that the above posters feel they have been making that same choice, but have come to completely different conclusions.
I only ask you to not limit yourself to hearsay, innuendo or a claim that you cannot verify from MANY sources. One of the most damning, as well as humorous, statements made on Fox is "why is no other network talking about this ?"........ well........DUH !?!?

As I have done before, I will end my missive with a John Barlow lyric from a Grateful Dead song....."you ain't gonna learn, what you don't want to know".

Here's to hoping WE ALL wish to learn.....till our very last breath.

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Jun 5, 2021 15:48:11   #
plumbob Loc: New Windsor Maryland
 
FixorFish wrote:
Name him(her), JimRed... give us a link to this statement.

I keep reading this thread, I guess for the entertainment value (?), kinda like turning on OAN, Newsmax, or Tucker C. on Fox.....as my father often said, "better the Devil you know.....".

I would address each and every falsehood in the past few posts, but I simply feel it would be a waste of time, the posters obviously have their minds made up and are doing a swell job of parroting the phrases and wildly far-out speculations of the "drum beaters for resistance to reality".

I find several of the above posts to not only contain pure b.s., but in fact, call to question as to whether you even care or want this tragic p******c to come to some manageable mitigation, if not true abatement.
We, of the camp---"the entire nation needs to COLLECTIVELY resolve this problem"---are spending waaaay too much time backtracking on our slow progress, because we have to come back and grab you forth, kicking and screaming, into proceeding FORWARD to get past this setback. You are d**gging us ALL down with your "petulant child who refuses to eat brussel sprouts, because he 'heard' they didn't taste good" behavior. Didn't try to taste and come up with a conclusion of their own, but instead, opted to go with.... "I'm too scared to look out from under the covers, to see if the 'monster' under my bed is actually real".

I truly have empathy for the above posters. I always attempt to see things from every perspective available to me from every possible source, watching ALL the cable news channels, subscribe to 3 newspapers, have online subscriptions to several podcasts from disparate points of view, all in seeking to make an informed decision about all of it, based on MY informed interpretation, ( I freely admit that 'qualification' is mine and mine alone) am sure that the above posters feel they have been making that same choice, but have come to completely different conclusions.
I only ask you to not limit yourself to hearsay, innuendo or a claim that you cannot verify from MANY sources. One of the most damning, as well as humorous, statements made on Fox is "why is no other network talking about this ?"........ well........DUH !?!?

As I have done before, I will end my missive with a John Barlow lyric from a Grateful Dead song....."you ain't gonna learn, what you don't want to know".

Here's to hoping WE ALL wish to learn.....till our very last breath.
Name him(her), JimRed... give us a link to this st... (show quote)


F O F, just google " Antibody Dependent Enhancement. " Interesting read

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Jun 5, 2021 15:49:01   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
JimRed wrote:
A prominent virologist has stated that the v******ted will be dead in two years. From something called Antibody Dependent Enhancement.


I heard the same thing. And they also said it would all be blamed on those of us who chose not to get v******ted. That we would have caused the v***s to spread like wild fire. That shouldn’t be a problem though to the people who are v******ted right? I mean they trust they are safe after being v******ted so what’s the worry? I get ALL of my information from medical professionals, I know personally, who I trust. I’m not one to listen to all the media hype or subscribe to numerous news outlets for any kind of factual information. Nearly all of those are bogus reporting operations. It’s not just Fox News. It’s all of them. You’ll notice that extreme left leaning individuals will bash conservative news and believe every word a liberal site tells them. It’s just a difference of opinion and I don’t think any of them are believable.

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Jun 5, 2021 16:00:05   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
plumbob wrote:
With the so called declines here why are the Olympics' being held in a country the locals say don't come?

We lived nearly a year and a half without watching the over paid so called athletes, i think i could make it another year not watching the want to be an athletes.

Kids will be kids you can't tell me they are going to stay quarantined in solo dorms so many miles away. Heck mom and dad will be with many and they are just as bad.

H**e to say it but i think if it is as bad as they say and not under control, the c***d #'s will be on the rise even before the Olympics' are over.
With the so called declines here why are the Olymp... (show quote)


Oh I’m sure that’s what we will hear next.

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Jun 5, 2021 20:34:24   #
Foodfisher Loc: SO. Cal coast
 
FixorFish wrote:
Name him(her), JimRed... give us a link to this statement.

I keep reading this thread, I guess for the entertainment value (?), kinda like turning on OAN, Newsmax, or Tucker C. on Fox.....as my father often said, "better the Devil you know.....".

I would address each and every falsehood in the past few posts, but I simply feel it would be a waste of time, the posters obviously have their minds made up and are doing a swell job of parroting the phrases and wildly far-out speculations of the "drum beaters for resistance to reality".

I find several of the above posts to not only contain pure b.s., but in fact, call to question as to whether you even care or want this tragic p******c to come to some manageable mitigation, if not true abatement.
We, of the camp---"the entire nation needs to COLLECTIVELY resolve this problem"---are spending waaaay too much time backtracking on our slow progress, because we have to come back and grab you forth, kicking and screaming, into proceeding FORWARD to get past this setback. You are d**gging us ALL down with your "petulant child who refuses to eat brussel sprouts, because he 'heard' they didn't taste good" behavior. Didn't try to taste and come up with a conclusion of their own, but instead, opted to go with.... "I'm too scared to look out from under the covers, to see if the 'monster' under my bed is actually real".

I truly have empathy for the above posters. I always attempt to see things from every perspective available to me from every possible source, watching ALL the cable news channels, subscribe to 3 newspapers, have online subscriptions to several podcasts from disparate points of view, all in seeking to make an informed decision about all of it, based on MY informed interpretation, ( I freely admit that 'qualification' is mine and mine alone) am sure that the above posters feel they have been making that same choice, but have come to completely different conclusions.
I only ask you to not limit yourself to hearsay, innuendo or a claim that you cannot verify from MANY sources. One of the most damning, as well as humorous, statements made on Fox is "why is no other network talking about this ?"........ well........DUH !?!?

As I have done before, I will end my missive with a John Barlow lyric from a Grateful Dead song....."you ain't gonna learn, what you don't want to know".

Here's to hoping WE ALL wish to learn.....till our very last breath.
Name him(her), JimRed... give us a link to this st... (show quote)


Forced into this.
The only thing that could improve on your obvious superior intellect is a bit of
Introspection

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Jun 6, 2021 00:26:37   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
During the swine flu Epidemic, back in the 70s, 53 people died from the v*****e and the program was immediately halted. It was deemed too dangerous to continue. With the c***d19 v*****e we’re approaching 4000 deaths, directly related to the v*****e, and they’re still pushing it. Something wrong with this picture. Sounds like there’s a fox in the hen house.

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Jun 6, 2021 15:58:11   #
DC Loc: Washington state
 
JimRed wrote:
A prominent virologist has stated that the v******ted will be dead in two years. From something called Antibody Dependent Enhancement.


Yes and the world will end because of c*****e c****e in less than 10 years and when I was in high school the 'experts" said we were going to die off because of the coming ice age in a couple years. and remember there were prominent scientists that said bad things were going to happen if we ever broke the sound barrier. I think the story of chicken little is applicable here and I doubt that you find a mass die off caused by the v*****e in two years just another wild prediction that someone is making to get their few minutes of fame knowing when it does not come true there will be no shame

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Jun 6, 2021 16:12:28   #
DC Loc: Washington state
 
[quote=FixorFish]Name him(her), JimRed... give us a link to this statement.

I keep reading this thread, I guess for the entertainment value (?), kinda like turning on OAN, Newsmax, or Tucker C. on Fox.....as my father often said, "better the Devil you know.....".

come on fixorfish while I agree there is a lot of misinformation out there and everyone needs to evaluate what they here why disregard what Tucker C on fox or OAAN, newsmax says with out careful consideration. On whole I think fox news has been more accurate and fair presenting both sides of the C***d issue than say CNN or NBC. example the theory that it all originated from a Laboratory in China which was ridiculed when it was talked about by the good people of CNN and NBC and now they are admitting that this very likely is the case and needs further investigation. And as you know from watching Tucker C. is is not antiv*****e but does bring out the point if the v*****e works (and he believes it does) why are they still requiring people who have been fully v******ted to wear masks. Finely Dr. Faucci has come around and admitted fully v******ted people are very unlikely to be infected or infect others with c***d. All Tucker C and people like him are asking is that they be honest about the pros and cons of v******tion and let the individual decide while the people in CNN and other networks do not want people to know all sides and be able to make up their own minds

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Jun 6, 2021 16:52:27   #
Mauwehu Loc: Norwalk Ct
 
There is a severe lack of t***h in this world and an abundance of lies. It’s hard to know what is t***h. So we all pick our own t***h which isn’t necessarily the t***h. We don’t know who or what to believe. Wear a mask, don’t wear a mask, v******tion or no v******tion and on and on.
No news or useless information is ruled out including conspiracy theories. It all sounds equally viable. Only time will tell. Unfortunately YOUR beliefs can end up being YOUR reality.....so as the Bible says “think on things that are lovely and good report” Phil 4:8 which I guess leaves the evening news out.

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Jun 6, 2021 17:29:22   #
DC Loc: Washington state
 
[quote=Mauwehu]There is a severe lack of t***h in this world and an abundance of lies.

you are correct Mauwehu and the battle between t***h and lies has been from the very beginning. From a biblical perspective Satan is the father of lies and God is the source of t***h and so the battle between t***h and lies is the battle between light and darkness. We choose what to believe and we choose which side of the battle we want to align ourselves with. Often we get distracted from the real issue by side issues and the side issues start to consume all our time and effort. I appreciate your refocused on Philippians 4:8 and I would add the two verses before as well since their is a lot of anxiety over all this

6 do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
8 Finally, brothers, wh**ever is true, wh**ever is honorable, wh**ever is just, wh**ever is pure, wh**ever is lovely, wh**ever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.

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Jun 6, 2021 19:29:51   #
Mauwehu Loc: Norwalk Ct
 
[quote=DC]
Mauwehu wrote:
There is a severe lack of t***h in this world and an abundance of lies.

you are correct Mauwehu and the battle between t***h and lies has been from the very beginning. From a biblical perspective Satan is the father of lies and God is the source of t***h and so the battle between t***h and lies is the battle between light and darkness. We choose what to believe and we choose which side of the battle we want to align ourselves with. Often we get distracted from the real issue by side issues and the side issues start to consume all our time and effort. I appreciate your refocused on Philippians 4:8 and I would add the two verses before as well since their is a lot of anxiety over all this

6 do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
8 Finally, brothers, wh**ever is true, wh**ever is honorable, wh**ever is just, wh**ever is pure, wh**ever is lovely, wh**ever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.
There is a severe lack of t***h in this world and ... (show quote)


In His name! Amen brother!!!

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