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Jul 4, 2022 19:24:03   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
DC wrote:
that's good I know several states were on the verge of going bankrupt over their pension plan because they made big promises and did not fund it and kicked the can down the road. The fair and prudent thing is to pay into a fully vested retirement plans as you go, that way you know what you are getting as a worker and you know what you are paying as a taxpayer and someone down the road doesn't get stuck with the bill


Well said DC. I guess that is what I was trying to say. As it works now those receiving a tax funded pension or disability will continue to do well while the rest of us will just be taxed more to pay for it when those organization don’t plan properly or promise more than they can give. We just received a $680.00 overage check back from the state of Idaho because they realized they taxed people that much too much. Granted they got the benefit of using that money until it was returned to the tax payer but the bottom line is they gave it back. Not many places do that. Alaska does but I’m not sure of anywhere else that does that. Pretty awesome I think. It’s not a free hand out. It’s money that was collected over what was supposed to be collected. It’s just nice they return it vs put it in their own pockets like most government organizations do. 👍. I lived in Oregon for over 25 years and not once did I ever receive one thin dime back that was over paid to the local or state government and trust me, making triple digits I paid A LOT in taxes there. 48% to be exact.

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Jul 5, 2022 08:34:46   #
lipsticker Loc: Hartford Wisconsin
 
plumbob wrote:
Glad my feet are up on that boasting. You ought to slow down on the bragging would be your best accomplishment.


🤭

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Jul 5, 2022 09:33:16   #
plumbob Loc: New Windsor Maryland
 
lipsticker wrote:
🤭


Thanks lipsticker, not just me that picks up on it.

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Jul 5, 2022 15:05:17   #
lipsticker Loc: Hartford Wisconsin
 
plumbob wrote:
Thanks lipsticker, not just me that picks up on it.


At times PB, at times. 🤐

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Jul 5, 2022 18:31:21   #
Andy cacciatori Loc: Modesto cal.
 
plumbob wrote:
I can relate in a different business Cat. Got out of my side construction business because of the un noticed fees to stay in the business. Sure raising the price on labor and projects would cover it, but the loss of steady customers because of the increase would be right back to square 1.

I can fully understand why guys do it under the table as the saying goes. That getting caught was my deterrent to go legit. Slept better at night being legit until i could not keep up with the system that was taking more than what seemed fair of my intake. Write offs are good, but need to make more to write off more.
I can relate in a different business Cat. Got out ... (show quote)

I know I had my own Painting contractors business and it was eighter go big or stay small be cause if you were in the middle you didn't make that much more money !!
Yes it's great having your own Business and not !!!
When we moved 8yrs ago the wife was never so happy when I told her I was going to run jobs for this company 😅 that hired me.!!
You have your good times and the good times 2009 was a killer for me !! Took two years to recover 😪.
But get tuff or die !!
Have a great week.
Andy

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Jul 5, 2022 18:35:42   #
Andy cacciatori Loc: Modesto cal.
 
Catfish hunter wrote:
True. I worked for an outfitter for several years in Wyoming. It’s not a good idea to guide people you don’t know and not do it legit. The people wanting the tax dollars, actually, book trips with under cover clients just to bust ya. It’s the first thing I was told when I started guiding “don’t do anything illegal because half of these hunters are hired by the feds just to catch you doing something wrong and I had a few that I guided. They’re, usually, sticking out like a sore thumb and they ask you to let them do illegal stuff right out of the gate. They’ll shoot a small buck then ask you if they can just leave that one and try for a bigger one. I just told them “I can’t tell you what to shoot or what not to shoot but I will tell you this. I can tell you what’s legal to shoot and what isn’t. And can’t and won’t try to control your trigger finger. First of all the law says if you kill a deer you have to tag it at the site of the kill. If you refuse to do that I can’t force you to but I will call the game and fish immediately and report you. The choice is yours.”
True. I worked for an outfitter for several years ... (show quote)


Why to go !!
Andy
We have to go hunting next year if God willing.
Have a good evening Randy and to your family

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Jul 5, 2022 18:37:05   #
Andy cacciatori Loc: Modesto cal.
 
plumbob wrote:
Always wondered about new customers when i did plumbing on the side. At first i knew my customers as in being a neighbor or worked with them in many instances. It was the referral's of a friend of a friend that had me shy away from. Didn't know their background.

Thus i saw i was losing a customer base and went legit. Obviously the price goes up, but the mandated insurance fees, permits, and constantly changing fuel prices makes one wonder how to stay afloat.


Amen to that !!
Been there

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Jul 7, 2022 19:20:51   #
nutz4fish Loc: Colchester, CT
 
plumbob wrote:
Not a fan of " Unions " myself. Maybe at one time they were needed, but where are they required these days.

I am open to debate that if anyone wants too.


Plum, I agree thar Unions have pretty much outlived their usefulness, but what if the threat of a union wasn't there any longer ? Would unscrupulous employers take advantage of that situation and revert to the days of the Robber Barons ? Who can really know.
The organized labor movement did a lot of good in their early and intermediate days, before they became part of the Dem's political machine, especially in terms of working conditions and most importantly worker safety. OSHA was a child of Labor, and in spite of their ridiculous excesses, they have gone a long way to reduce workplace deaths and injuries. But thats a done deal, and union workers may be justified in asking " what have you done for me lately? "
My work background includes being represented , non represented, & management " represented " and I spent several years as an officer in a 2,800 member industrial union local , and am well aquainted with the attitudes and practices of both sides. Trust me, it's not a pretty picture.

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Jul 7, 2022 19:36:03   #
plumbob Loc: New Windsor Maryland
 
nutz4fish wrote:
Plum, I agree thar Unions have pretty much outlived their usefulness, but what if the threat of a union wasn't there any longer ? Would unscrupulous employers take advantage of that situation and revert to the days of the Robber Barons ? Who can really know.
The organized labor movement did a lot of good in their early and intermediate days, before they became part of the Dem's political machine, especially in terms of working conditions and most importantly worker safety. OSHA was a child of Labor, and in spite of their ridiculous excesses, they have gone a long way to reduce workplace deaths and injuries. But thats a done deal, and union workers may be justified in asking " what have you done for me lately? "
My work background includes being represented , non represented, & management " represented " and I spent several years as an officer in a 2,800 member industrial union local , and am well aquainted with the attitudes and practices of both sides. Trust me, it's not a pretty picture.
Plum, I agree thar Unions have pretty much outlive... (show quote)


nutz, my son was a union electrician in Virginia somewhere around 10 years ago and he said to me one day: I know now why i told him not to join up with a union company. He mentioned how useless they were in his trade.

My only background experience, i previously mentioned and hearsay from fellow plumbers when i went to tech school in order to get my masters in the trade.

I have always thought OSHA was the force behind work place safety, sometimes a little anal but other times thankful they were available and backed the employee.

In regards to the politics of unions i had never considered the involvement from either party but can see where it would be to their advantage as a form of control.

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Jul 7, 2022 20:36:46   #
Andy cacciatori Loc: Modesto cal.
 
plumbob wrote:
nutz, my son was a union electrician in Virginia somewhere around 10 years ago and he said to me one day: I know now why i told him not to join up with a union company. He mentioned how useless they were in his trade.

My only background experience, i previously mentioned and hearsay from fellow plumbers when i went to tech school in order to get my masters in the trade.

I have always thought OSHA was the force behind work place safety, sometimes a little anal but other times thankful they were available and backed the employee.

In regards to the politics of unions i had never considered the involvement from either party but can see where it would be to their advantage as a form of control.
nutz, my son was a union electrician in Virginia s... (show quote)


Plum
I agree with you at one time they were needed .My wife was a retail clerk for many years and retired as a union member , the Benefits are great especially the insurance we had raised the kids and the insurance we have we've had Kaiser for yrs.
And I was self employed as a paint contractor and know way could I have afforded the insurance we have and when raising the kid's.
And now way can a small business afford afford to be come Union !!
So yes I agree with you , but I'm glad the wife was if you understand what I mean.
I worked for Home Depot when the bottom fell out in construction they are the worst company to work for.
They should be Union and Lowels and Wal-Mart.
And I loved having my own paint contractor business even in the good and bad times .
Have a great evening or a great tomorrow. 👍
Your friend
Andy

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Jul 7, 2022 22:18:43   #
Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.
 
plumbob wrote:
nutz, my son was a union electrician in Virginia somewhere around 10 years ago and he said to me one day: I know now why i told him not to join up with a union company. He mentioned how useless they were in his trade.

My only background experience, i previously mentioned and hearsay from fellow plumbers when i went to tech school in order to get my masters in the trade.

I have always thought OSHA was the force behind work place safety, sometimes a little anal but other times thankful they were available and backed the employee.

In regards to the politics of unions i had never considered the involvement from either party but can see where it would be to their advantage as a form of control.
nutz, my son was a union electrician in Virginia s... (show quote)

Sorry your son didn't like his Union , but for anyone that didn't make their living through IBEW , as an Electrician is OK ,, but please don't put the rest of us down , 27 years of Local 100 Fresno, and Proud ! We are very happy now, ask other IBEW members,

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Jul 7, 2022 22:29:32   #
Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.
 
Jarheadfishnfool wrote:
Sorry your son didn't like his Union , but for anyone that didn't make their living through IBEW , as an Electrician is OK ,, but please don't put the rest of us down , 27 years of Local 100 Fresno, and Proud ! We are very happy now, ask other IBEW members,


My Wife is in California Correctional Supervisors Organizition,, to try and tell us Unions are no Good is Baloney, Hard Work and Dedication is what it takes , she will retire in about 7months ,, what did we do wrong? I apologize , I'm not allowed to talk about my Family,,,,,,,,,

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Jul 7, 2022 23:18:44   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
Jeremy wrote:
I worked harder than most ever do. Many told me to slow down. I always moved up in every job I ever had since 12 yrs old on farms. I did post facts. I didn't post opinions. Slamming people is not posting facts. I know the facts no need to try and educate some that always post negative things that are completely false.


Of course you did. You’ve told us all that a millions times. Good on ya for being the best at everything you’ve ever done👍

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Jul 7, 2022 23:20:11   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
Jarheadfishnfool wrote:
Sorry your son didn't like his Union , but for anyone that didn't make their living through IBEW , as an Electrician is OK ,, but please don't put the rest of us down , 27 years of Local 100 Fresno, and Proud ! We are very happy now, ask other IBEW members,


What’s IBEW. Sorry. I’ve never heard of that not coming from California. Just curious. Thanks.

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Jul 7, 2022 23:24:33   #
Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.
 
Catfish hunter wrote:
What’s IBEW. Sorry. I’ve never heard of that not coming from California. Just curious. Thanks.


Google it

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