DC Loc: Washington state

we hear a lot of people's thoughts and conclusions with out the raw data they base them on so I went to the CDC web site and got their latest stats to try to make some since of what is going on here is what I found

Monitoring Incidence of COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations, and Deaths, by Vaccination Status — 13 U.S. Jurisdictions, April 4–July 17, 2021 | MMWR (cdc.gov)

averaged weekly, age-standardized rates (events per 100,000 persons) were higher among persons not fully vaccinated than among fully vaccinated persons for reported cases (112.3 versus 10.1), hospitalizations (9.1 versus 0.7), and deaths (1.6 versus 0.1) during April 4–June 19, as well as during June 20–July 17 (89.1 versus 19.4; 7.0 versus 0.7; 1.1 versus 0.1, respectively). Higher hospitalization and death rates were observed in older age groups, regardless of vaccination status, resulting in a larger impact of age-standardization on overall incidence for these outcomes.

https://cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 375 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 7, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,439 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—


So using the time period of June20 - July 17 which is the most recent here is the statistics

Number infected per 100,000 was 108.5 or .001%
Unvaccinated 89.1 82% of infected or .00089% per 100,000
Vaccinated 19.4 18% or infected or .00019% per 100,000
Hospitalizations per 100,000 was 7.7 or .00007%
Unvaccinated 7 82% of infected or .00007% per 100,000
Vaccinated .7 18% or infected or .000007% per 100,000
Deaths per 100,000 was 1.2 or .000012%
Unvaccinated 1.1 92% of infected or .000011% per 100,000
Vaccinated .1 8% of infected or .000001% per 100,000

Reported deaths after vaccinations 7439 out of 375 million doses or .000019% which equates to 1.98 per 100,000. (yes it can be debated if these deaths are in fact directly caused by the vaccine but they have been reported as such so these are the numbers I will go by)

Here are the conclusions I gain from all this if all my math has been correct based on information from the CDC is correct the risk of being infected by covid is 5X greater for the vaccinated than the unvaccinated, and 10X greater to be hospitalized and dying from covid than the vaccinated but here is the surprising thing the risk of dying from covid among the unvaccinated is almost the same as dying after getting the vaccine. So while I am vaccinated and am in no way an antivaccination person based on the raw numbers if death is your main concern it has to be admitted that there is a valid reason for some to choose not to be vaccinated, which is why vaccine mandates is so misguided. What is also striking the often heard comparison to smallpox is just scare tactics since smallpox had a death rate of around 35% which is much much higher than the overall death rate from covid which currently is something like 1.6% which is .0016 per 100,000 people

Spiritof27 Loc: Lincoln, CA

1.6 per cent of 100,000 is 1,600. Are you sure you're the right person to be interpreting this data?

DC Loc: Washington state

sorry you are right it is .016% of those who have been diagnosed with covid have died which makes it much much much smaller than the 30% death rate among people who got smallpox so the point is covid is a lot less deadly than smallpox was once you get it

Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.

Thanks, but I will trust our Family Practitioner and or the VA where I initially got my Vaccines, but your making progress,,,,

DC Loc: Washington state

????not sure what you mean by "I'm making progress" I have from the beginning and still now take the stand everyone needs to do their own research and make medical decisions that they think is best for them. like you I trusted my family practitioner where I was first diagnosed with Covid and then got my vaccines. My only point is there is so much hype and position defending with out much attention given to what are the facts and stats. But who are you going to trust for the information you use to make your decisions? That is the big question I just wanted to get the facts and stats out as recorded by the CDC which has tarnished it's image this past year by saying things that were not true or taking positions not grounded in actual facts but at least it is one source to consider.

Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.

Well that's your opinion and your data, always remember data is human made , but I personally would not trust in your opinions , like you've always said , we believe in what we want to believe, and I'll always trust Medical Science ,, and yes you are progressing whether you can see it or not no need to get upset, and remember your own words, you,, put this post out, therefore accept replies is all gosh,,,,,,

Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.

You do mean the Smallpox that pioneers and Spanish Conquistadors leveled my Native American Brothers many years ago right? How easy it is for you to throw around that disease as if it had no devastating consequences,,,,,,

DC Loc: Washington state

I don't think you are reading what I post or you don't want to understand what I post or just like to be a contrarian but my point was just the opposite with a 35% kill rate it was far worse than covid and to compare covid to smallpox is not a good comparison unless you want to artificially raise covid to the same level as smallpox to instill more fill in the masses. And I am not the one making that comparison I was saying there is no comparison it is like those who compare 9/11 to Jan 6 no comparison and ridiculous to make it.

DC Loc: Washington state

ok I meant to type fear not fill so save your reply

Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.

You are the 1 that said of the comparison to Smallpox not me! Now you're going to comparisons to 9/11??You already messed up on your original post ,number wise , You always need to say to many words/ paragraphs really, to make your point. Like someone else told you once we don't focus on your total rhetoric, jeez, let's just say you win .I guess,,,,,,,

Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)

Yes and the main point is people should be able to make their own choices. There’s nothing “proven” with covid or the vaccine. There’s no doubt there IS covid but nobody really knows enough about it to demand people do things they don’t want to do. The CDC has been proven wrong on several accounts as well as many of the leading scientists involved with the current pandemic. Many people are under the false impression that being vaccinated for covid will keep them from contracting the virus or spreading it. That’s not true. Even the leading data centers and have shown the vaccine does not keep you from contracting or spreading the virus. The CDC has said that, The WHO has said that but there are still people who think it’s the cure-all for everything. Natural immunity to covid is 3 times more effective at avoiding re-occurring infections from covid than any of the vaccines offered but you can’t fly many places after having recovered from covid and are not vaccinated, you can’t enter many businesses after being fully recovered from covid without being vaccinated, the current administration is trying to get everyone vaccinated. Even those who have had covid and recovered are expected to get vaccinated according to the current administration. By their own admission, the CDC, the WHO and leading scientists, the current administration and many doctors around the country have stated natural recovery and not being vaccinated produces better safety than people who have not had covid but are vaccinated for it. It’s not real hard to see the main objective here. It’s not about the safety of the citizens of our country.
100,000 people is .0003% of the population in the U.S. A question I have is “who were those 100,000 people they studied.” If you hand pick 100,000 people in the U.S. who have underlying conditions and are pre disposed to adverse reactions to a virus your numbers are going to be way different than 100,000 people of the opposite scenario. Studying 100,000 people is not a justifiable survey to base any real facts on with a population of, over, 300,000,000 people. One could, hypothetically, say they knew 100 people who all died from the vaccine while someone else could say they knew 100 people who all died because they DIDN’T get the vaccine. Who would know? There’s a huge difference in the CDC saying they did a study on 100,000 people that ended up at a specific conclusion or doing a study on 100,000 different people and finding a completely different result. There’s nothing, satisfactorily, conclusive about anything right now so about all we have is our own opinions to guide us. It’s working for me and I respect anyone and everyone else’s choices in this. I might not do what they tell me to do but I respect their decisions.

DC Loc: Washington state

Jarheadfishnfool your funny and would make a good parody show on the reason there can't be any serious discussion on serious issues that divide our nation. I know you are not serious and are just having fun twisting things and it is pretty funny in a warped way. keep it up in todays world it is best not to take things to serious or you will end up going crazy.

DC Loc: Washington state

catfish you can go on their web site but the way I read it of all the people who have been diagnosed, and/or hospitalized, and/or died. in the nation on whole during that time frame not 100,000 individuals but they then took those stats and put them in terms of ratio per 100,000. So if they are correctly reporting the stats it is for everyone that came down with covid (that was reported a lot of people never go get tested so they would not have been included). I don't necessarily believe these numbers are 100% correct but they are the numbers as reported by the CDC and those are most likely the most widely accepted and they really do not support the actions this administration is taking or what they are saying which is interesting in itself. Bottom line we have to start with some stats in a rational discussion if anyone has a better source I'd really like to see their stats as well.

Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)

Do you have to be on a “regulars” list to visit the VA there? It was a two year waiting list in Oregon so I just gave up on it years ago. I can go right in here now that I’m on social security. When I was in Wyoming I could just show up and get in within about 30 minutes but I had a regular doctor there that quit his practice and went to work at the VA there because it was like a 9:00 to 5:00 job and he didn’t have to carry all the required insurance he had to have in private practice. Still a great doctor and most of them did that then. That was 30 years ago when I last went to see a doctor though.

Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)

That would be good. I hesitate to give my opinion much here in starting a new topic but I’ll take up with a good conversation any time. I’ve seen the stats you’re talking about and anything I’d offer here would just be called lies and false spreading of fake news. Easier to just avoid starting a topic any more. If it’s not seen in mass media, mostly liberal sites, or on liberal news it just causes an argument with people who are one sided and closed minded so not worth starting an argument any more.
I’ve looked at their website several times over the past year. Well 4 or 5 times probably. Not real impressed with what they say vs what I’ve experienced first hand.