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Sep 8, 2021 10:44:01   #
fast_randy Loc: Blackfoot, Idaho
 
I have used 20 pound power pro braid for three years now. I love it. In the spring I fish for catfish in the brush. It is a ball to hook a 8 lb. cat and wrestle it back out of the weeds. But I troll for trout with the same poles. I always use a polamar knot, and tie the braid right to the hook most of the time. When trout fishing I use a snap swivel tied with a polamar and then fluro leader. I keep a big screw driver handy to wrap around the line to break it off when I snag up in the brush. But I have my newest reel filled with white Fire line braid. I seen on YouTube that white braid is invisible in the water, better than fluorcarbon. And no need for leader. And now Power Pro has white. I'd suggest trying it.

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Sep 8, 2021 11:15:06   #
JackM Loc: North East Florida
 
Knots are a problem with braid because it is slippery. I recommend looking on YouTube for braid to terminal tackle knots. I personally use a knot based on the clinch knot but I first place a simple overhand know on the end of the line. When I tie the clinch knot pull the knot tight with the overhand knot up to the loop. This helps prevent the line from slipping. It is possible that you are getting frayed from rocks but the most common problem is the line guides. Check your line guides for rough spots.

As far as the twisted line it sounds like a wind knot. When you reel in your line occasionally hold the line with your none cranking hand to add some tension. This helps to keep the line going onto the reel tight. If the line is loose on the reel it comes off in a clump causing a wind knot. I find that I get wind knot when the lure is either not very heavy or does not have a lot of resistance to being pulled in.

I hope this helps on your next trip.

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Sep 8, 2021 11:37:40   #
bapabear Loc: Blaine, Washington
 
Catching salmon on a spinning reel is not like catching bass. When they make those long runs pulling out line or holding their own against the drag, you put a twist in you line each rotation of the handle you make if line is not coming in. Watch your spool. If the spool is not turning or turning in the opposite direction of the normal recovery direction, you will put a twist in your line when you rotate the handle. Fight the fish with your rod to recover line, then lower the rod to recover the line you gained with the rod. Lift the rod and again feel in the line you recovered with the rod. If the fish is pulling out line, don't crank. Just keep tension on the line and let the rod and drag do their job. If you set your drag properly, do not change it fighting the fish. the likely reason the tangle is up the line a ways is because that was the line that was out when the fish was fresh and pulling more against the drag. do not feel bad if you crank against an outgoing fish. If you don't get excite, why fish?

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Sep 8, 2021 12:13:06   #
Howard 285 Loc: Morehead City nc
 
The twist you described sounds more like, what are called wind knots, that usually are cause by loading too much line on the real or not keeping a little tension on the line while retrieving the line. I use 10 lb. line and have no problem as long as those two things do not happen.

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Sep 8, 2021 14:46:51   #
Grizzly 17 Loc: South central Pa
 
Wish you'd say what brand to prevent others from buying inferior line. I've used power pro for yrs. I use alot of 10/15lb some been on reel for many yrs. Sure won't break it by hand. If i hang up i have a pc of dowel rod n wrap braid around it 👍👍

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Sep 8, 2021 15:19:08   #
Brownsville Tony Loc: Brownsville - Laguna Madre
 
idh777_. wrote:
I previously had problems with mono line (spinning). After doing some digging for info, I was lead to believe that a braided line is the way to go. After receiving the new (braided) line, I did some preliminary casting, etc., to try it out and yes it certainly came off the spool easily, adding distance to my normal casting stroke plus it has minimal visibility in the water. And needless to say, despite thickness like thread, the line was really strong.

However, after a four day fishing trip for "Silvers/Coho" salmon in Alaska I can tell you this line has some problems.
Granted, we fished long hours each day on a river thus continuous casting/retrieving. And we had good luck in terms of catching fish. Now to the line. Attaching line to lure, I used double swivel, etc.. Despite this, I had several instances of suddenly having a twisted mess of line about 20 > 30 feet above the lure. Two times the twisted mess was so tight and the line so thin, I could not untangle and had to cut off that much line. Also, I began to notice the line was changing color in several area. Close examination it appeared to be fraying and in one case I broke the line via pulling by hand. The line apparently has poor abrasion resistance. And finally, using a barrel knot to attached the line to a swivel, etc.; Initial pull on line to test knot, A-OK. But after losing a lure during a cast, I brought the line back in and the end has several twists and a frayed end. Again, I believe this was abrasion on tension areas of the line in the knot. My solution, every hour or so, pull the lure in, hole lure in one hand, line in other and pull as hard as you can to test the know. Twice I broke the knot and had to retie the line to the swivel.

So be aware. I was using 30 lb. test line; perhaps I should switch to heavier braid such as 50 or 60 lb?
I previously had problems with mono line (spinning... (show quote)


Just about everything you've told us about it really inconsistent with braided line. At least with any braided line I've ever used. Nylon is tougher than just about anything. But you are right about one thing, braided line does not knot well. Any knot that relies on coil upon coil for strength is subject to cutting through itself with braid. The top coil cuts right down through the lower coil. Even if you use a knot similar to the clinch or improved clinch, you better take the time to make sure the wraps are laid out evenly and that they draw up correctly as you tighten it. If at all possible use a palomar knot. I know guys who carry a small vial of super glue and they religiously put a tiny dab on every knot they tie in braid. I can't say braid doesn't color fade but in my experience it is a gradual thing and if a line fades right away or all at once I'd say you've got a "batch" problem. I have a spool of Spider Wire that has to be 20 years old (I bought a huge spool of it when a bait shop went outta biz) and it is still as ugly green the day they put it out and I'm sure you could haul timber with it. Lastly, the guys on "Salt Strong" did a video of how many twists in a line occur before you ever get the benefits of a swivel. The smaller the line the longer it will take before you roll that swivel the first time. Consider using chain swivels. Other than that, I think you just happened to be the unluckiest guy who ever tried braid for the first time and got caught by truly off-beat circumstances.

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Sep 8, 2021 15:35:22   #
agatemaggot Loc: iowa
 
Using a Ball Bearing swivel ?

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Sep 8, 2021 15:58:47   #
Grizzly 17 Loc: South central Pa
 
Brownsville Tony wrote:
Just about everything you've told us about it really inconsistent with braided line. At least with any braided line I've ever used. Nylon is tougher than just about anything. But you are right about one thing, braided line does not knot well. Any knot that relies on coil upon coil for strength is subject to cutting through itself with braid. The top coil cuts right down through the lower coil. Even if you use a knot similar to the clinch or improved clinch, you better take the time to make sure the wraps are laid out evenly and that they draw up correctly as you tighten it. If at all possible use a palomar knot. I know guys who carry a small vial of super glue and they religiously put a tiny dab on every knot they tie in braid. I can't say braid doesn't color fade but in my experience it is a gradual thing and if a line fades right away or all at once I'd say you've got a "batch" problem. I have a spool of Spider Wire that has to be 20 years old (I bought a huge spool of it when a bait shop went outta biz) and it is still as ugly green the day they put it out and I'm sure you could haul timber with it. Lastly, the guys on "Salt Strong" did a video of how many twists in a line occur before you ever get the benefits of a swivel. The smaller the line the longer it will take before you roll that swivel the first time. Consider using chain swivels. Other than that, I think you just happened to be the unluckiest guy who ever tried braid for the first time and got caught by truly off-beat circumstances.
Just about everything you've told us about it real... (show quote)


Yes even the polamar knot. Any knot not tied right or wet when chinching down woll be compromised.

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Sep 8, 2021 16:19:31   #
Sinker Rig Loc: Tampa area
 
It's my opinion that folks that use a dab of super glue have 0 confidence in their knot tying abilities

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Sep 8, 2021 16:21:37   #
Grizzly 17 Loc: South central Pa
 
Sinker Rig wrote:
It's my opinion that folks that use a dab of super glue have 0 confidence in their knot tying abilities


I never use glue n i cut my tag ends close. I know if it doesn't hold i didn't tie it right 👍👍

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Sep 8, 2021 16:34:29   #
Sinker Rig Loc: Tampa area
 
Grizzly 17 wrote:
I never use glue n i cut my tag ends close. I know if it doesn't hold i didn't tie it right 👍👍


I'll stand with you on that......things get a little more complex with heavy line, say with 80-120lb mono. When a big Gag rocks you and you pull it loose and a 9/0 hook comes back almost straightened you know you've tied a fail proof knot

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Sep 8, 2021 16:38:07   #
Grizzly 17 Loc: South central Pa
 
Sinker Rig wrote:
I'll stand with you on that......things get a little more complex with heavy line, say with 80-120lb mono. When a big Gag rocks you and you pull it loose and a 9/0 hook comes back almost straightened you know you've tied a fail proof knot


Absolutely Sinker. I had some trouble at 1st till i started paying more attention to what i was doing. Since then all good.

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Sep 8, 2021 16:42:00   #
tim diebold Loc: new jersey
 
never ever heard of a problem with the palomar knot and so easy to tie. also, try a diff brand of braid. I use pro line and never had a prob. just saying.

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Sep 8, 2021 16:57:00   #
lipsticker Loc: Hartford Wisconsin
 
fishyaker wrote:
Great comments thus far from everybody! Glad to hear that you had success on those Alaskan waters nevertheless and got by with what you were loaded up with in the line department!

Hopefully something that has been said will become the cure on this issue for you. It's kind of a funny thing...way back in the 40's thru 50's or so...braided "dacron" line was the "go to" line formulation. Then along came monofiliment. It was a miracle line by most accounts, and dominated the world for many decades. Then, as if we had made a brand new discovery...braid was back...only very high tech and in a myriad of manifestations!

I am not trying to get any rotten eggs thrown my way, but I've been using "mono" all my fishing life, in various lb test strengths from 4 to 50 and it has done very well by me for all of the fresh and saltwater fishing I have ever done. I'm not a pro, or commercial charter guy...so my experience is only personal. 95% of my rods are set up with mono, but I do have a few with braid...honestly, I don't really like braid, but it does perform for me just like mono. My best application is when I'm jigging down deep in say 100' of water. Also works very nicely on my dipsey diver dedicated salmon rods. The low stretch factor is definitely nice...but I still catch fish when deep jigging with mono too! Sorry if my comments offend anybody...that is not my intention...OK, I'm going to duck now and run for cover!
Great comments thus far from everybody! Glad to he... (show quote)


Hi Yaker, Smart me up a tad. What is your typical Board set up? The Kings are getting itchy and will be on the prowl very soon. We'll be fishing shallow (Under 80'). Boards will be in the zone and I'm questioning "Stretch" on the board set-up. Kind of mushy?

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Sep 8, 2021 16:57:38   #
idh777_.
 
I started out using a short ( about 15 ") mono leader but ran into trouble with knot joining mono to braided line. Initially the knot was absolutely solid and believe me, I used strength to test. However, over a time period, I found the braided line would break at the knot. Yep, lost a couple of lures finding that out. Previously mentioned solution would be to move up to 50 or 69 lb. test braided line which is thicker and close to same diameter as the mono leader. This makes sense to me while retaining the desired assets of a braided line. I will try this solution.

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