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Jul 15, 2020 12:57:41   #
badbobby Loc: Humble Texas
 
The U.S. Department of Defense had a secret program to investigate reports of unidentified flying objects, and former Navy pilots in the program say they had a stunning encounter with a UFO in 2004.

The New York Times tells of the mission of Cmdr. David Fravor and Lt. Cmdr. Jim Slaight, who were in training over the Pacific Ocean off the coast of San Diego at the time. They got a strange call from a radio operator. The military had been tracking strange aircraft in the region for about two weeks, the operator said. Sometimes, these flying objects made sudden maneuvers, dove tens of thousands of feet or even hovered, according to the reports.

Asked to investigate, Fravor and Slaight eventually spotted one. About 40 feet (12 meters) long, it was hovering 50 feet (15 m) above the ocean, the Times report says. (Fraser added that the object appeared to be causing a sort of boiling or bubbles in the ocean, as the rest of the water looked calm.) [10 Alien Encounters Debunked]

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Fraser descended, the object ascended to meet him and then it veered suddenly. "It accelerated like nothing I've ever seen, he said an interview with the Times, adding that he was "pretty weirded out." A few minutes later, the object disappeared, he said.



Fravor returned to his carrier ship, where people mocked him for what he saw, he told the Times. His superiors didn't look into the matter, and Fravor moved on to other things in his career, such as serving in the Persian Gulf as air support during the Iraq war.

Fravor's account includes a video — one of several recorded as a part of the program. The video shows a small object skirting from side to side and circling in view of the camera. The Times added that observers also underwent tests after their "encounters," to see how the experience had affected them.

"I can tell you, I think it was not from this world," Fravor added in a separate interview with ABC News. "I'm not crazy, haven't been drinking. It was — after 18 years of flying, I've seen pretty much about everything that I can see in that realm, and this was nothing close."

The news comes amid news that the U.S. government has been searching for UFOs, in secret, since at least 2007. While the Department of Defense says the program was shut down in 2012 due to a lack of funding, the Times further reported that this program is still active.


The program was called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program and had an annual budget of $22 million between 2008 and 2011. (By contrast, the budget of NASA as a whole was roughly $18.4 billion in fiscal year 2011.)


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This isn't the first time that the government has looked into accounts of mysterious objects. In 2016, the Central Intelligence Agency released many previously classified documents that talked about unusual incidents, most of which occurred in the 1950s.

While the scientific evidence for UFOs is inconclusive, many people still want to believe. A 2012 survey said an estimated 80 million people in the U.S. believe in UFOs. Further, 1 in 10 respondents said they had seen UFOs for themselves.

In the Times interview, Fravor added that shortly after his encounter, he spoke with another pilot about what he saw. He told the pilot he had no idea what it was. "It had no plumes, wings or rotors and outran our F-18s," he told the Times, adding, "I want to fly one."

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Jul 16, 2020 09:24:28   #
Big dog Loc: Bayshore, Long Island, New York
 
badbobby wrote:
The U.S. Department of Defense had a secret program to investigate reports of unidentified flying objects, and former Navy pilots in the program say they had a stunning encounter with a UFO in 2004.

The New York Times tells of the mission of Cmdr. David Fravor and Lt. Cmdr. Jim Slaight, who were in training over the Pacific Ocean off the coast of San Diego at the time. They got a strange call from a radio operator. The military had been tracking strange aircraft in the region for about two weeks, the operator said. Sometimes, these flying objects made sudden maneuvers, dove tens of thousands of feet or even hovered, according to the reports.

Asked to investigate, Fravor and Slaight eventually spotted one. About 40 feet (12 meters) long, it was hovering 50 feet (15 m) above the ocean, the Times report says. (Fraser added that the object appeared to be causing a sort of boiling or bubbles in the ocean, as the rest of the water looked calm.) [10 Alien Encounters Debunked]

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Fraser descended, the object ascended to meet him and then it veered suddenly. "It accelerated like nothing I've ever seen, he said an interview with the Times, adding that he was "pretty weirded out." A few minutes later, the object disappeared, he said.



Fravor returned to his carrier ship, where people mocked him for what he saw, he told the Times. His superiors didn't look into the matter, and Fravor moved on to other things in his career, such as serving in the Persian Gulf as air support during the Iraq war.

Fravor's account includes a video — one of several recorded as a part of the program. The video shows a small object skirting from side to side and circling in view of the camera. The Times added that observers also underwent tests after their "encounters," to see how the experience had affected them.

"I can tell you, I think it was not from this world," Fravor added in a separate interview with ABC News. "I'm not crazy, haven't been drinking. It was — after 18 years of flying, I've seen pretty much about everything that I can see in that realm, and this was nothing close."

The news comes amid news that the U.S. government has been searching for UFOs, in secret, since at least 2007. While the Department of Defense says the program was shut down in 2012 due to a lack of funding, the Times further reported that this program is still active.


The program was called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program and had an annual budget of $22 million between 2008 and 2011. (By contrast, the budget of NASA as a whole was roughly $18.4 billion in fiscal year 2011.)


01:2601:26
This isn't the first time that the government has looked into accounts of mysterious objects. In 2016, the Central Intelligence Agency released many previously classified documents that talked about unusual incidents, most of which occurred in the 1950s.

While the scientific evidence for UFOs is inconclusive, many people still want to believe. A 2012 survey said an estimated 80 million people in the U.S. believe in UFOs. Further, 1 in 10 respondents said they had seen UFOs for themselves.

In the Times interview, Fravor added that shortly after his encounter, he spoke with another pilot about what he saw. He told the pilot he had no idea what it was. "It had no plumes, wings or rotors and outran our F-18s," he told the Times, adding, "I want to fly one."
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It was the evening of the 4th of July, 2001. I had been enjoying the fireworks from the back of my boat. The Grand Finally had just finished when 2 “Stars” suddenly zipped across the sky and disappeared into space.
Prior to this I was a firm skeptic regarding UFO’s. But since I know that I saw what I saw, I’m a believer now.
Who or what ever was up there was no doubt watching the fireworks over the entire north east coast, and when the fireworks were over they left, at mind boggling speed, both of them.!

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Jul 16, 2020 12:27:52   #
badbobby Loc: Humble Texas
 
Big dog wrote:
It was the evening of the 4th of July, 2001. I had been enjoying the fireworks from the back of my boat. The Grand Finally had just finished when 2 “Stars” suddenly zipped across the sky and disappeared into space.
Prior to this I was a firm skeptic regarding UFO’s. But since I know that I saw what I saw, I’m a believer now.
Who or what ever was up there was no doubt watching the fireworks over the entire north east coast, and when the fireworks were over they left, at mind boggling speed, both of them.!
It was the evening of the 4th of July, 2001. I had... (show quote)


uhh,Big
you're gonna have to find somethin else to smoke

jus jerkin your chain a lil Bd
if you saw them ,you saw them
and I got your six



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Jul 16, 2020 12:45:29   #
Big dog Loc: Bayshore, Long Island, New York
 
badbobby wrote:
uhh,Big
you're gonna have to find somethin else to smoke

jus jerkin your chain a lil Bd
if you saw them ,you saw them
and I got your six


I wasn’t alone. The person with me asked “ Did you see that?”
I wasn’t gonna say anything but he saw it too.
It’s the only time I ever experienced something like that though I’ve spoken to other people that say they’ve seen things a couple of times, and I’m not talking about wacked out people either.

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Jul 16, 2020 16:07:33   #
USAF Major Loc: Sea Bright, NJ
 
I was never stationed in the southwestern U.S.
I have no real or imagined info however I always felt that since so many of the UFO sightings were in the southwest that maybe just maybe the people might have been seeing our experimental aircraft. We have to develop and fly them somewhere and over a desert has to be better than over southern California.

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Jul 16, 2020 18:40:13   #
badbobby Loc: Humble Texas
 
USAF Major wrote:
I was never stationed in the southwestern U.S.
I have no real or imagined info however I always felt that since so many of the UFO sightings were in the southwest that maybe just maybe the people might have been seeing our experimental aircraft. We have to develop and fly them somewhere and over a desert has to be better than over southern California.


well Major
you would know more about experimental aircraft than the rest of us
I do know that we have them
but flyin saucers aren't gonna go away
too much fun

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Jul 17, 2020 07:07:23   #
Redfish65 Loc: Olivia, TX
 
They are not really UFO. They are described pretty good for a guy that barely knew what a horse was in the first 10 chapters of Daniel in old the testament.

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