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I got so angry today watching a charter patron catch a monster red fish
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Feb 18, 2020 12:04:41   #
Old Man Of The Sea
 
FS Digest wrote:
All I want to do is catch a red. I live in Sarasota, FL and red fish are one of the best and most exciting fish to catch in the gulf here. Or that’s what they tell me. Took me ten years of living here to finally be able to buy an old used boat. I spent weeks working on it and learning about motors to get it water ready. I saved and saved and finally got a nice minnkota for it. I’ve been slowly upping my gear and I fish probably 5-6 hrs a week which as a full time working father of two is all I can manage.

I go hunting for reds every time. I hear about where someone caught one, what they used, what the tide was doing and so on. I make a plan and I bust ass to get me one.

Today I found the sweetest little nook behind some mangroves. Lo and behold as I round the corner I see a charter captain with a bunch of tourists chumming up the waters and having them throw live bait out. This teenage girl that looks like she’s never held a rod in her life reeled in the biggest red fish I’ve ever seen. Had to have been 36” or more. Monster.

I know I shouldn’t be this upset and should be happy for her but goddamn. I don’t want to use live bait, I fished with shrimp for years here and there’s really not much challenge or sport to it. I’ve been catching tons of trout and jacks and a few snook on spoons, jigs, DOAs and so on but cannot find a Red.

I used to fly fish when I lived in the mountains so I’ve started doing that here too. Haven’t caught anything with it yet, been too windy lately to use it much.

Doesn’t help my father in law lives an hour south of me and constantly texts me pictures of the reds he’s getting.

Anyway, needed to get that off my chest and this place felt like a good spot.

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by DrLeoMarvin
All I want to do is catch a red. I live in Sarasot... (show quote)


There are several ways to fish effectively for redfish. I would suggest a popping cork rig for the best results. Try hooking the shrimp under through the head under the horn or under the tail and pop the cork every few seconds and see what kind of action you encounter. You can also try sand fleas are small crabs. Let me know if you need additional advice. my email is fredtexas1@gmail.com.

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Feb 18, 2020 12:58:16   #
BillFish Loc: Westchester New York, Long Island Sound
 
Talk about redfish, check out this school !!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc6KY390o_g

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Feb 18, 2020 15:51:53   #
Kerry Hansen Loc: Bremerton, WA
 
JimRed wrote:
Disappointed that it was not me doing the catching, sure. Angry? Not really.

What did get me angry was when I was surf fishing and a school of Stripers chasing bait was almost within casting range of the beach, but a boatman moved inshore of them and cut them off. I wanted to park a three ounce sinker in his cockpit!

Also when I was fishing the inlet jetty and had hooked something big. It ran across the inlet but I got it turned and worked it halfway back. Then a boat came racing around the jetty close to the rocks and cut the fish off. I so wanted to poke 45 caliber holes in his transom!
Disappointed that it was not me doing the catching... (show quote)


Unfortunately, the world is full of assholes that don't consider anyone else and will cut you off or come in close and block your casts. Have had that happen many times in my life time. had a guy anchor very close to me just down stream from me in a river and I then hooked up on a huge chromer Steelhead which promptly got tangled in his anchor line and broke off!

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Feb 18, 2020 19:35:29   #
Roughneck Loc: Lake Weiss, Centre, Al
 
FS Digest wrote:
All I want to do is catch a red. I live in Sarasota, FL and red fish are one of the best and most exciting fish to catch in the gulf here. Or that’s what they tell me. Took me ten years of living here to finally be able to buy an old used boat. I spent weeks working on it and learning about motors to get it water ready. I saved and saved and finally got a nice minnkota for it. I’ve been slowly upping my gear and I fish probably 5-6 hrs a week which as a full time working father of two is all I can manage.

I go hunting for reds every time. I hear about where someone caught one, what they used, what the tide was doing and so on. I make a plan and I bust ass to get me one.

Today I found the sweetest little nook behind some mangroves. Lo and behold as I round the corner I see a charter captain with a bunch of tourists chumming up the waters and having them throw live bait out. This teenage girl that looks like she’s never held a rod in her life reeled in the biggest red fish I’ve ever seen. Had to have been 36” or more. Monster.

I know I shouldn’t be this upset and should be happy for her but goddamn. I don’t want to use live bait, I fished with shrimp for years here and there’s really not much challenge or sport to it. I’ve been catching tons of trout and jacks and a few snook on spoons, jigs, DOAs and so on but cannot find a Red.

I used to fly fish when I lived in the mountains so I’ve started doing that here too. Haven’t caught anything with it yet, been too windy lately to use it much.

Doesn’t help my father in law lives an hour south of me and constantly texts me pictures of the reds he’s getting.

Anyway, needed to get that off my chest and this place felt like a good spot.


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by DrLeoMarvin
All I want to do is catch a red. I live in Sarasot... (show quote)


I don't share my locations but will share my methods because it's a great way all of us on the forum can learn from others as I have here many times. My prefered methods for Reds is to fish in areas with tidal creeks and grass marshes. Watch the solar lunar charts for the highest coefficient of the four factors; moon phase, highest, lowest and strongest tides. Then go out at low tide as far back in a good tidal creek as you can that still has a few deep holes at low tide. Fish these holes and outside creek bends which will usually have Reds in them munching down on the shrimp in them. I will fish these holes with red or white jig heads and orange or light pink curley tails on 12lb test mono and a1/4 ounce jig head with a #2 hook. You can add shrimp on the hooks for more strikes or not. (Your choice)The shrimp move out of the grass into these holes as the tide goes out and they will move back into the grass as soon as the rising tide reaches the grass line again. I then start moving along and casting to the grass line paying particular attention to any small ditches and cuts where the water is moving through faster. The reds will feed on the escaping shrimp along the grass line and just inside the small cuts and ditches where the water flow is faster. Good luck and please let us all know how this works out for you. Also, What general area of Florida are you fishing in??

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Feb 18, 2020 20:09:04   #
Flytier Loc: Wilmington Delaware
 
I can relate to the boaters cutting in close. We had one beautiful afternoon at the back of the inlet. We were catching a good run of stripers from the beach, we meaning a dozen of my friends from the surf fishing club. A couple of boats pulled in tofish snd they weren't too bad since they were just beyond our range at about 130 yards. Then some clown decides to TROLL past us about forty yards out. He snagged up a bunch of our lines and created a mess. What he didn't count on was that most of us use 65# power pro. All the guys he had snagged cranked down on the drags and ripped every rig he had out off the rods. I think I remember one rod going over too. Karma can be a b#$%%^.

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Feb 19, 2020 21:29:10   #
fishinphil
 
As well as some charter captains might be doing, its a sure bet that some need all the advantages at their disposal...to keep not only their clients on fish and be happy to catch a bunch, but so they can continue being a charter captain. It may seem like a dream job to some...others know it takes skill, hard work, and updated on all aspects of the territory, the weather, location, the water etc.So...using live bait a no-no to you? Probably was the only way to catch the fish that particular day.Good luck the next time you can get there.

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Feb 19, 2020 21:37:47   #
fishinphil
 
You see, its a dog eat dog world in many different businesses, and if a captain needs to guarantee future cash flow by using live bait, so be it.I know that if i hired someone to drag me around the water in a successful search for the fishy i wanted and we scored big time, that guy would definitely get repeat trips by me or because of word of mouth , others who want to get in on the fun.Then again, theres really no sure fire technique for every time one fishes and expect to haul em in.

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Feb 21, 2020 07:36:31   #
Sinner Loc: witness protection program
 
FS Digest wrote:
All I want to do is catch a red. I live in Sarasota, FL and red fish are one of the best and most exciting fish to catch in the gulf here. Or that’s what they tell me. Took me ten years of living here to finally be able to buy an old used boat. I spent weeks working on it and learning about motors to get it water ready. I saved and saved and finally got a nice minnkota for it. I’ve been slowly upping my gear and I fish probably 5-6 hrs a week which as a full time working father of two is all I can manage.

I go hunting for reds every time. I hear about where someone caught one, what they used, what the tide was doing and so on. I make a plan and I bust ass to get me one.

Today I found the sweetest little nook behind some mangroves. Lo and behold as I round the corner I see a charter captain with a bunch of tourists chumming up the waters and having them throw live bait out. This teenage girl that looks like she’s never held a rod in her life reeled in the biggest red fish I’ve ever seen. Had to have been 36” or more. Monster.

I know I shouldn’t be this upset and should be happy for her but goddamn. I don’t want to use live bait, I fished with shrimp for years here and there’s really not much challenge or sport to it. I’ve been catching tons of trout and jacks and a few snook on spoons, jigs, DOAs and so on but cannot find a Red.

I used to fly fish when I lived in the mountains so I’ve started doing that here too. Haven’t caught anything with it yet, been too windy lately to use it much.

Doesn’t help my father in law lives an hour south of me and constantly texts me pictures of the reds he’s getting.

Anyway, needed to get that off my chest and this place felt like a good spot.

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by DrLeoMarvin
All I want to do is catch a red. I live in Sarasot... (show quote)


Humm, You want to catch reds, but you refuse to use their favorite food.
Something wrong with your thinking there Doc. Go back to fishing 101 and take a class.

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Feb 22, 2020 12:23:53   #
FishFearMe 420
 
This isn't anything new by a long shot, but the most productive way I have found to catch Reds, or Snook is with live shrimp with one of those cone shaped bobbers that have the concave top. I throw it as close to the Mangroves as I can and I pop the cork which makes a Bloooop sound and stirs the water. I guess the sound and the water disturbance catches their attention. I've caught more than I could ever count this way. It works for me, so I keep doing it. hope it helps. Surprisingly I've done quite well in an old john boat at Fort Desoto Park with a trolling motor in relatively shallow water during tide change. I used to go camping there a lot and fish.

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