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Apr 14, 2024 17:21:13   #
Randyhartford Loc: Lawrence, Kansas
 
NoCal Steve wrote:
While I admire your conviction and faith Steve, I will never believe in a God that has such a singular path to Heaven. What kind of God would send all the children that die having no relationship with Christ to an eternity in Hell? What kind of God would condemn a good, kind, considerate human being to the same fate? Could it be possible that the Bible is a guide and not the be all, end all interpretation of reality? You know I love you brother so I'm not attacking you. Just offering my opinion that the God that fills my heart and the spirit that lives inside me is far, far greater than the words in a book and the religions of this world that are all penned by the hand of man.
While I admire your conviction and faith Steve, I ... (show quote)


The Bible was authored by God, speaking to/through men, and all we have to do is believe by faith. Children under the age of accountability DO go to Heaven. God doesn’t send anyone to hell. People do it to themselves for refusing to accept or believe that Jesus died to cover their sins. It’s an easy choice to make, but many people will go to hell because of unbelief and not choosing to accept Christ. That is the truth and EVERYONE will soon believe it. It’s your choice to believe it NOW or LATER, when it’s too late.🙏🏻

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Apr 14, 2024 17:26:19   #
NoCal Steve Loc: Dunnigan, CA
 
Randyhartford wrote:
The Bible was authored by God, speaking to/through men, and all we have to do is believe by faith. Children under the age of accountability DO go to Heaven. God doesn’t send anyone to hell. People do it to themselves for refusing to accept or believe that Jesus died to cover their sins. It’s an easy choice to make, but many people will go to hell because of unbelief and not choosing to accept Christ. That is the truth and EVERYONE will soon believe it. It’s your choice to believe it NOW or LATER, when it’s too late.🙏🏻
The Bible was authored by God, speaking to/through... (show quote)


Let me make myself perfectly clear. I have zero respect for a man that cannot own his own sins. From now on, when I see your name above a post it will be a skip completely for me. You should be ashamed of yourself or even worse, perhaps, you should be concerned the gates of Geaven aren't big enough for your ego to fit through!

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Apr 14, 2024 17:26:29   #
Frank romero Loc: Clovis, NM
 
Randyhartford wrote:
The Bible was authored by God, speaking to/through men, and all we have to do is believe by faith. Children under the age of accountability DO go to Heaven. God doesn’t send anyone to hell. People do it to themselves for refusing to accept or believe that Jesus died to cover their sins. It’s an easy choice to make, but many people will go to hell because of unbelief and not choosing to accept Christ. That is the truth and EVERYONE will soon believe it. It’s your choice to believe it NOW or LATER, when it’s too late.🙏🏻
The Bible was authored by God, speaking to/through... (show quote)


You are entitled to your beliefs but so are the rest of us. I am a strong believer in Jesus Christ but I don’t agree with organized religion. I have seen what has happened with Catholic clergy and also what Protestant ministers have done.

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Apr 14, 2024 17:29:35   #
saw1 Loc: nor cal Windsor
 
NoCal Steve wrote:
While I admire your conviction and faith Steve, I will never believe in a God that has such a singular path to Heaven. What kind of God would send all the children that die having no relationship with Christ to an eternity in Hell? What kind of God would condemn a good, kind, considerate human being to the same fate? Could it be possible that the Bible is a guide and not the be all, end all interpretation of reality? You know I love you brother so I'm not attacking you. Just offering my opinion that the God that fills my heart and the spirit that lives inside me is far, far greater than the words in a book and the religions of this world that are all penned by the hand of man.
While I admire your conviction and faith Steve, I ... (show quote)


Well, I understand how you feel, and for your sake, I'm sorry.
I'm convinced that the Bible IS the word of God and that's what it says.
John 14:6 " I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Romans 6:23 " For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Eternal LIFE means to be in the Fathers presents forever.
Death is described as being separated from the Father for eternity.
I do not claim to know everything but this I believe.
I also believe that the Father has certain provisions that allow little ones that were called home to be with Him for eternity.
I understand a lot of the people on here might feel the way you do. However, a lot of us don't. Therefore, I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

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Apr 14, 2024 17:31:50   #
Randyhartford Loc: Lawrence, Kansas
 
NoCal Steve wrote:
While I admire your conviction and faith Steve, I will never believe in a God that has such a singular path to Heaven. What kind of God would send all the children that die having no relationship with Christ to an eternity in Hell? What kind of God would condemn a good, kind, considerate human being to the same fate? Could it be possible that the Bible is a guide and not the be all, end all interpretation of reality? You know I love you brother so I'm not attacking you. Just offering my opinion that the God that fills my heart and the spirit that lives inside me is far, far greater than the words in a book and the religions of this world that are all penned by the hand of man.
While I admire your conviction and faith Steve, I ... (show quote)


For you or anyone who does not believe the Bible, I challenge you to watch this video - then decide.

https://youtu.be/4nn7_1uGHv8?si=P4nffO1z-gxpwm9C

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Apr 14, 2024 17:33:30   #
Frank romero Loc: Clovis, NM
 
Randyhartford wrote:
For you or anyone who does not believe the Bible, I challenge you to watch this video - then decide.

https://youtu.be/4nn7_1uGHv8?si=P4nffO1z-gxpwm9C


I believe in the Bible but not necessarily the interpretation that people have.

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Apr 14, 2024 17:36:22   #
Randyhartford Loc: Lawrence, Kansas
 
NoCal Steve wrote:
Let me make myself perfectly clear. I have zero respect for a man that cannot own his own sins. From now on, when I see your name above a post it will be a skip completely for me. You should be ashamed of yourself or even worse, perhaps, you should be concerned the gates of Geaven aren't big enough for your ego to fit through!


Whose judging now?

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Apr 14, 2024 18:25:39   #
NoCal Steve Loc: Dunnigan, CA
 
[quote=saw1]Well, I understand how you feel, and for your sake, I'm sorry.
I'm convinced that the Bible IS the word of God and that's what it says.
John 14:6 " I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Romans 6:23 " For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Eternal LIFE means to be in the Fathers presents forever.
Death is described as being separated from the Father for eternity.
I do not claim to know everything but this I believe.
I also believe that the Father has certain provisions that allow little ones that were called home to be with Him for eternity.
I understand a lot of the people on here might feel the way you do. However, a lot of us don't. Therefore, I guess we just have to agree to disagree.[/e, quote]

Preach on my man! Been there, done that, believed that and have the T-shirt for that but, have grown and continue to grow spiritually. From the heart Steve, I want you to know that I admire you and respect you for living your life and conducting yourself in ways that are consistent with your faith. Although nobody is perfect the world would truly be a better place if more people followed your example! Trust me, there is no need to feel sorry for me or think I am wrong. The truth is we have very little to disagree about. And I have no heart or interest in challenging you on what you believe. And remember, the words that you hold so sacred are clear. No man can judge another man's heart! Please don't think that you know mine!

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Apr 14, 2024 20:17:36   #
saw1 Loc: nor cal Windsor
 
[quote=NoCal Steve]
saw1 wrote:
Well, I understand how you feel, and for your sake, I'm sorry.
I'm convinced that the Bible IS the word of God and that's what it says.
John 14:6 " I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
Romans 6:23 " For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Eternal LIFE means to be in the Fathers presents forever.
Death is described as being separated from the Father for eternity.
I do not claim to know everything but this I believe.
I also believe that the Father has certain provisions that allow little ones that were called home to be with Him for eternity.
I understand a lot of the people on here might feel the way you do. However, a lot of us don't. Therefore, I guess we just have to agree to disagree.[/e, quote]

Preach on my man! Been there, done that, believed that and have the T-shirt for that but, have grown and continue to grow spiritually. From the heart Steve, I want you to know that I admire you and respect you for living your life and conducting yourself in ways that are consistent with your faith. Although nobody is perfect the world would truly be a better place if more people followed your example! Trust me, there is no need to feel sorry for me or think I am wrong. The truth is we have very little to disagree about. And I have no heart or interest in challenging you on what you believe. And remember, the words that you hold so sacred are clear. No man can judge another man's heart! Please don't think that you know mine!
Well, I understand how you feel, and for your sake... (show quote)


I don't Steve. You have your beliefs and I have mine, that's all. We're all good with each other.

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Apr 14, 2024 22:19:32   #
NoCal Steve Loc: Dunnigan, CA
 
saw1 wrote:
I don't Steve. You have your beliefs and I have mine, that's all. We're all good with each other.


Love you bro! You are a fine man, good friend, and an OK fisherman! Lol. Just teasing you!

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Apr 15, 2024 00:33:47   #
saw1 Loc: nor cal Windsor
 
NoCal Steve wrote:
Love you bro! You are a fine man, good friend, and an OK fisherman! Lol. Just teasing you!


Thanks buddy. Hopefully we'll be able to get together sometime after I get back from Texas
🤠👍

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Apr 15, 2024 10:55:16   #
Randyhartford Loc: Lawrence, Kansas
 
NoCal Steve wrote:
Let me make myself perfectly clear. I have zero respect for a man that cannot own his own sins. From now on, when I see your name above a post it will be a skip completely for me. You should be ashamed of yourself or even worse, perhaps, you should be concerned the gates of Geaven aren't big enough for your ego to fit through!


I’m not real sure what “sins” YOU are accusing me of, but it doesn’t really matter because I am not accountable to YOU. I am only accountable to God and He has forgiven me. I am not saying I never sin - when I do, He forgives me when I ask.
You are welcome to mock me (or God), and call me names, and say what you want, but I will continue to believe what the Bible says and KNOW who I am.
”“God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are my followers. Be happy about it! Be very glad! For a great reward awaits you in heaven. And remember, the ancient prophets were persecuted in the same way.“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5‬:‭11‬-‭12‬ ‭NLT‬‬
Enough said - God bless you. 🙏🏻

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Apr 15, 2024 15:47:09   #
Still above water Loc: San Francisco ca
 
Hey Steve. Don’t bite into his bullshit! He’s an obvious born again religious preacher.! Wonder when he finally found his so called god! To be born again is such an oxymoron. We are all born in the the image of god at birth! Wonder what his sins were prior to his beliefs! It’s obvious that his beliefs have never been part of his previous life experiences. He justifies that as forgiveness. It’s so sad that his life is so consumed by biblical prophecy, never whose words are by religious scholars. I have seen first hand how born again jelists have ruin families and marriages based on there “born again views” One states that they ask forgiveness, really?
Love to hear his sins before he asked his god for so called god for forgiveness. He is such a hypocrite!

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Apr 15, 2024 16:03:50   #
Colorado river catfish Loc: Parker Az
 
12 of your piers found him not guilty in a court of law. Like it or not. I was on jury duty that day ( not his case) and when the verdict was read you could see the room divide right down the middle racially speaking.

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Apr 15, 2024 16:08:59   #
Still above water Loc: San Francisco ca
 
Colorado river catfish wrote:
12 of your piers found him not guilty in a court of law. Like it or not. I was on jury duty that day ( not his case) and when the verdict was read you could see the room divide right down the middle racially speaking.


Totally understand.! Don’t know what you are referring to as “my peers” a pier is for fishing! So I guess u are saying that the verdict was totally racial in nature? Have u even studied the trial? What about the seven unidentified footprints at the gate where the murders 0accrued? His son owed a million dollars to drug dealers for cocanie to a drug dealer who said that he would kill his family! Well documented! Never investigated by LAPD. Lead LAPD investigators were not allowed to testify as to their findings! 0nly Mr. Furnam was allowed to testify. Later found that his was prejudicial! By the count? Both District attorneys were found to be guilty of a sexual relationship while they both tried The case! Detective forum has been documented for using the N-word times throughout his career ! o
Yes, I guess Justice was served!

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