What is a Trout
Jan 8, 2020 10:40:33 #
Not sure if this is a productive discussion or even the right place, but it’s been bugging me. I was in a discussion today about brook trout not being a trout but a char. Which is correct...
However, by that same metric then phylogenetically Brown trout are not a trout but an Atlantic salmon (being in genus Salmo) and RB and Cutthroat trouts are phylogenetically pacific salmon ( genus Oncorynchus). So technically there are no trout and it’s a purely lay term.
Which is interesting since I only hear the “not a trout argument” applied to char.
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by jimbotriceps
However, by that same metric then phylogenetically Brown trout are not a trout but an Atlantic salmon (being in genus Salmo) and RB and Cutthroat trouts are phylogenetically pacific salmon ( genus Oncorynchus). So technically there are no trout and it’s a purely lay term.
Which is interesting since I only hear the “not a trout argument” applied to char.
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by jimbotriceps
Jan 8, 2020 10:40:38 #
Jan 8, 2020 10:40:41 #
Agree. See speckled sea trout, which are not at all the same as European "sea run" trout.
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by musicofsound
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by musicofsound
Jan 8, 2020 10:40:46 #
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name, would smell just as sweet."
Colloquiality is what it is. Also, I would imagine a lot of these names were derived before anyone put the fish in a final taxonomical place.
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by gc4life
Colloquiality is what it is. Also, I would imagine a lot of these names were derived before anyone put the fish in a final taxonomical place.
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by gc4life
Jan 8, 2020 10:40:51 #
Trout are any salmonid that has a light colored body with dark spots. Char have light spots and (adult) salmon have no spots at all.
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by FLORI_DUH
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by FLORI_DUH
Jan 8, 2020 10:40:56 #
Thats still only a common definition. Also phylogenetically char are more closet related to pacific salmonids than either are to salmo species.
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by jimbotriceps
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by jimbotriceps
Jan 8, 2020 10:40:59 #
You were expecting a common term to have a formal definition? That's why we have common terms and scientific names.
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by FLORI_DUH
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by FLORI_DUH
Jan 8, 2020 10:41:04 #
No, I just think that among people considering themselves to be “informed” that there is still a ton of inconsistency. I’m not particularly troubled by it.
My context is that I listened to a person carefully explain the difference between a trout and a char to a new fisher and it got me thinking.
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by jimbotriceps
My context is that I listened to a person carefully explain the difference between a trout and a char to a new fisher and it got me thinking.
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by jimbotriceps
Jan 8, 2020 12:08:59 #
Jan 8, 2020 12:50:47 #
charlykilo
Loc: Garden Valley Ca
FS Digest wrote:
Trout are any salmonid that has a light colored body with dark spots. Char have light spots and (adult) salmon have no spots at all.
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by FLORI_DUH
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by FLORI_DUH
I beg to differ.
https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/regulations/fishregulations/PDFs/southcentral/2018sc_sfregs_salmon_id.pdf
Jan 8, 2020 12:54:55 #
Jan 8, 2020 14:03:27 #
Ron620DVS
Loc: Guntersville Alabama
trout
/trout/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a chiefly freshwater fish of the salmon family, found in both Eurasia and North America and highly valued as food and game.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trout
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/trout/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a chiefly freshwater fish of the salmon family, found in both Eurasia and North America and highly valued as food and game.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trout
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Jan 8, 2020 14:20:25 #
Genetically ? Taxonomically ?
Not to be an a** about this, but
the important features regarding
salmon, trout or char is that they are beautifull fish, give a good fight, are fun to catch, and make
a really tasty meal !
Not to be an a** about this, but
the important features regarding
salmon, trout or char is that they are beautifull fish, give a good fight, are fun to catch, and make
a really tasty meal !
Jan 9, 2020 08:46:41 #
Interesting thoughts on fish names. When a kid in Germany, my dad fished for trout. Here in the states he fished for trout in the mountain streams. I always thought that trout were slender colorful fish that you only caught with fly rods. As I grew older, I learned a lot more about fishing. Now when I moved from west Texas, to the New Orleans area, I found that similar fish such as bass were almost the same as those by a different name here. Oh well, just as long as they are enjoyed and taste good, that is what matters.
Jan 9, 2020 10:21:10 #
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