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Dec 10, 2023 21:28:58   #
bapabear Loc: Blaine, Washington
 
harleypiker wrote:
Very well said, Bapabear. I grew up in MN where they manage fish species as per the characteristics of the specific lake and not according to the prevailing opinion like the salmonid here. NE Wash was getting real good until the gill nets arrived.


Oh Well, I take what is there and do my best to share it with my grandsons, because I don't see much changing for the better in my remaining life time. Fortunately for my grandsons, it won't really matter as much for them. For them, today is the good old days. Fishing may not even be an available sport and barely missed when they are our age. Virtual reality fishing may be far more fun. Who are we to say. We are just a bunch of senile old farts anyway. History does repeat itself. Like the song goes, "we'll have a good time then dad. You know we'll have a good time then. It is interesting how life's paths can overlap.

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Dec 11, 2023 15:05:41   #
Ted A Loc: Eastern Washington
 
harleypiker wrote:
Very well said, Bapabear. I grew up in MN where they manage fish species as per the characteristics of the specific lake and not according to the prevailing opinion like the salmonid here. NE Wash was getting real good until the gill nets arrived.


There are lots of competing interests. The state in general is trying to keep the fish to native species as much as possible. The state however is not totally in charge. The feds and tribes co-manage our fish along with the state. Lots of competing interests plus opinions create a mess. The biologists in general do a pretty good job managing what they can under their restrictions.

I am not abiologist but have known some personally.

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Dec 11, 2023 16:03:26   #
Rambob Loc: Edmonds wa
 
For me, any species NOT a trout, salmon, steelhead, or saltwater bottom fish.

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Dec 11, 2023 18:17:26   #
bapabear Loc: Blaine, Washington
 
Ted A wrote:
There are lots of competing interests. The state in general is trying to keep the fish to native species as much as possible. The state however is not totally in charge. The feds and tribes co-manage our fish along with the state. Lots of competing interests plus opinions create a mess. The biologists in general do a pretty good job managing what they can under their restrictions.

I am not abiologist but have known some personally.


I doubt any of us have a bone to pick with the biologist. In fact, I believe most of us would love to see a biologist making the decisions rather than an appointed city slicker administrative political appointee. Oh well, I would also like to see peace in the world and watch Santa parking a 28 foot North River boat in my driveway.

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Dec 15, 2023 14:51:52   #
JimTom Loc: N Idaho
 
bapabear wrote:
There is a long time prejudice in this state against any fish that is not salmon or trout. When I first came here in the early 80's, bass were pretty much considered poor table fair, so a trash fish among locals. Even now, many long time Washington fishermen don't know the difference between a bluegill and a pumpkin seed. In fact, most all small lake fish were just perch or bluegill and had a negative value.The belief was that they ate salmon eggs or lake planted trout. There is also a belief that all warm water fish compete with the already dwindling salmon and trout population.๐Ÿค” Yes this is the root of the problem!!๐Ÿคจ Washington has a long standing history of doing things by opinion, emotion and political pressure, rather than scientific studies. That being said, the state has planted a small number of channel cats and tiger muskies over the years. This uninformed prejudice seems to be magnified west of the Mountains. All that being said, There is still great fishing for panfish and bass, as only a small number of the population target them relative to the number of licenses sold. Caveat: This is just a simple answer to a very complicated management problem.
There is a long time prejudice in this state again... (show quote)

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Dec 15, 2023 15:14:02   #
denden Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Bobber 48 wrote:
I would like to see Bluegill and White and Black Crappy fishing in this state in more than a couple lakes. As it stands I almost need to travel out of state to participate in this fishery. So whatever it takes!!


Go East young man. I live in Yakima Washington and we have several different pan fish species. Crappie, yellow perch, catfish, trout, and many other people don't know or care about. Along our highway 82, are 7 Ponds, and 2 rivers, Yakima, and other ponds nearby to choose from. Moses lake, and Tricities, and the Columbia river, are 1 to 2 hours away from me. So you might want to give the other side of the mountains a try, you will not be disappointed. Good luck with your future fishing trips .

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Dec 15, 2023 21:10:16   #
bapabear Loc: Blaine, Washington
 
denden wrote:
Go East young man. I live in Yakima Washington and we have several different pan fish species. Crappie, yellow perch, catfish, trout, and many other people don't know or care about. Along our highway 82, are 7 Ponds, and 2 rivers, Yakima, and other ponds nearby to choose from. Moses lake, and Tricities, and the Columbia river, are 1 to 2 hours away from me. So you might want to give the other side of the mountains a try, you will not be disappointed. Good luck with your future fishing trips .


I am with you. There is great spiny ray and cold water fishing on the East Side. Unfortunately, there is also a four to five hour drive each way along with a couple hundred dollars in gas as well as food and lodging, as the drive does not warrant a one day trip. Oh well, casting small jigs to greening with an occasional catch and release ling is lots of fun. There are also some big bass on this side of the mountain. As for perch, one just has to filet twice as many for a good fish and chips meal. Cats (bullhead excluded) on the other hand are for all practical purposes non existent. An attempt was made way back, but apparently unsuccessfully, because all that seems to be caught is a very very occasional giant cat that must have been part of the original stock. Bluegill and pumpkinseeds are in some of the lakes. But they get an awful lot of or awful little pressure. A mess of keepers is hard to come by on a consistent basis and in limited waters. Even though small, I personally enjoy both on a fly rod. Crappie are pretty scarce this far north west.
I am not sure stocking would improve the fishing. I am not sure the water bodies have the feed biomass to support more fish, nor am I sure what level of real scientific study has been done to find out.

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Dec 15, 2023 23:13:31   #
Randy H Loc: Ferndale, WA
 
The WDFW Commissioners set seasons, bag limits, and policy for the department on recommendations of department personnel. The Commissioners are appointed by the governor and approved by the democrat-controlled senate. Gov. Dimslee has a very liberal, west-of-the-Cascades agenda and his appointees, at this time, are definitely of similar mind set. The current Commissioners may or may not be consumers of fish or wildlife. Personally, I'd like to see more warm water species such as blue gill, crappie, and perch. Those fisheries are great fun for kids of all ages, don't require expensive boats, downriggers or twelve different colors of the same lure or hoochie and are absolutely delicious.

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Dec 15, 2023 23:18:10   #
JimTom Loc: N Idaho
 
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Dec 16, 2023 14:45:24   #
Larry W Loc: Auburn, Washington
 
Scrap fish? I can only say one mans garbage can be another's treasure. Tight lines to all.

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Dec 16, 2023 17:02:13   #
Iggy348 Loc: Republic, Washington
 
Boy you got that right. I about died when I found out the state killed off all the walleye in Sprague lake to make room for trout (I hate those soft mushy trout).

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Dec 16, 2023 20:36:33   #
JimTom Loc: N Idaho
 
Iggy348 wrote:
Boy you got that right. I about died when I found out the state killed off all the walleye in Sprague lake to make room for trout (I hate those soft mushy trout).


Yeah gotta have those trout

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Dec 16, 2023 20:39:35   #
JimTom Loc: N Idaho
 
Larry W wrote:
Scrap fish? I can only say one mans garbage can be another's treasure. Tight lines to all.


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Dec 17, 2023 05:15:57   #
Black Pharoah Loc: Washington State
 
Thank you for the feedback sir!

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Dec 17, 2023 05:17:21   #
Black Pharoah Loc: Washington State
 
Thank you for the feedback response!

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