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Jun 26, 2023 09:41:18   #
TooMuch Loc: NE Alabama
 
Just a little rant over the crap that our bureaucracy does....

Here in NW AL, there's a very small state historical park. Because the state TOOK possession of it. There is no harvesting of any kind, including mushrooms! But that is not my rant.
There is a cave system, small, very small, that is iron barred to prevent the Gen pop from entering. The reason? The Indiana Bat. Seems this bat is on the protected list here in AL! After some research on my part, the bat was put on the list when the population dropped to 3 MILLION! The estimated population from the last survey conducted in 18 puts the population at 6M. The range of this bat includes at a minimum of 7 states with an overall population of over 25 million. SMH . But...because of the protection status in effect (and always will be) the area is still considered off limits with Federal FELONY prosecution as the deterant. Just boils my blood that the powers in charge pull this crap, all the time, everywhere.
I know most ppl really don't have an opinion on this particular subject, until they learn they CANT do what they want bcs of the bs.

Thanks for letting me rant

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Jun 26, 2023 09:47:31   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
Considering any bird ( including bats ) disease humans can contract. There could be more serious reasons. You know which diseases bats Carry and their caves will have it present? Your blood won’t be able to boil if it isn’t able to even flow anymore.

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Jun 26, 2023 13:17:27   #
TooMuch Loc: NE Alabama
 
Jeremy wrote:
Considering any bird ( including bats ) disease humans can contract. There could be more serious reasons. You know which diseases bats Carry and their caves will have it present? Your blood won’t be able to boil if it isn’t able to even flow anymore.


Thank you for that insight. But...that doesn't really address the topic.

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Jun 26, 2023 13:24:58   #
TooMuch Loc: NE Alabama
 
The state if AL put the bat on the States protected list. Even tho it doest qualify for the Natl list. That's what irks me. It would be that same as putting the yellow barred perch on the list because a small self sustaining population was found in the TN River but is found abundantly thru out the northern states.
Or saying the Paw Paw tree is protected here due to the low numbers found here but is weed like in neighboring states.
Why?

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Jun 27, 2023 06:18:46   #
nutz4fish Loc: Colchester, CT
 
TooMuch wrote:
The state if AL put the bat on the States protected list. Even tho it doest qualify for the Natl list. That's what irks me. It would be that same as putting the yellow barred perch on the list because a small self sustaining population was found in the TN River but is found abundantly thru out the northern states.
Or saying the Paw Paw tree is protected here due to the low numbers found here but is weed like in neighboring states.
Why?


TooMuch, When these issues arise, I always remember the Snail Darter controversy around a dam building proposal by the Tennessee Valley Authority in the mid 1970's. Too involved and controversial to get into here in detail, but this was one of the few times that I wasn't on the side of my beloved fish. The project was critical to the development of the electrical infrastructure for a huge region, the people who would benefit from the economic gains, and jobs that were expected to result from this project.
I'm sure some of you here will recall the jousting in the courts over this issue. I'm hoping somebody with a local perspective will pick up on this thread and give us all an opinion about what it meant to them.
"Funny" how stuff that happened when I was in 20's & 30's somehow turned into history, .....I was just living it then as current events, how time flies !

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Jun 27, 2023 21:54:07   #
Rheatown Loc: Greeneville tn
 
TooMuch wrote:
Just a little rant over the crap that our bureaucracy does....

Here in NW AL, there's a very small state historical park. Because the state TOOK possession of it. There is no harvesting of any kind, including mushrooms! But that is not my rant.
There is a cave system, small, very small, that is iron barred to prevent the Gen pop from entering. The reason? The Indiana Bat. Seems this bat is on the protected list here in AL! After some research on my part, the bat was put on the list when the population dropped to 3 MILLION! The estimated population from the last survey conducted in 18 puts the population at 6M. The range of this bat includes at a minimum of 7 states with an overall population of over 25 million. SMH . But...because of the protection status in effect (and always will be) the area is still considered off limits with Federal FELONY prosecution as the deterant. Just boils my blood that the powers in charge pull this crap, all the time, everywhere.
I know most ppl really don't have an opinion on this particular subject, until they learn they CANT do what they want bcs of the bs.

Thanks for letting me rant
Just a little rant over the crap that our bureaucr... (show quote)


They do it everywhere buddy can’t fight the system I know for years in the outer banks everyone has stickers on the back of there car of a middle finger says identity this bird some bleeding heart made it where you can’t drive on the beach at night because of some special bird

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Jun 27, 2023 22:37:46   #
6482bodean Loc: Northern Indiana
 
That’s the spirit.
It’s your right to drive on the beach at night no matter how it effects anything else.
Nature is bigger than you. Please respect it.

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Jun 28, 2023 00:25:22   #
Rheatown Loc: Greeneville tn
 
6482bodean wrote:
That’s the spirit.
It’s your right to drive on the beach at night no matter how it effects anything else.
Nature is bigger than you. Please respect it.


👍👍👍that’s the spirit

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Jul 1, 2023 22:04:00   #
Whitereb Loc: Lake Guntersville Alabama
 
I know what you mean. A fine example there is a neighborhood in Huntsville being ask to conserve water till the get a new water system installed by 2025. But the city keeps approving new development in the area.

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Jul 1, 2023 22:16:23   #
Rheatown Loc: Greeneville tn
 
Whitereb wrote:
I know what you mean. A fine example there is a neighborhood in Huntsville being ask to conserve water till the get a new water system installed by 2025. But the city keeps approving new development in the area.

Genius ain’t they lol

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Jul 2, 2023 00:29:06   #
nutz4fish Loc: Colchester, CT
 
Rheatown wrote:
Genius ain’t they lol


Property Taxes.

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Jul 2, 2023 01:46:16   #
Rhyno Loc: Santa Rosa,California
 
TooMuch wrote:
Just a little rant over the crap that our bureaucracy does....

Here in NW AL, there's a very small state historical park. Because the state TOOK possession of it. There is no harvesting of any kind, including mushrooms! But that is not my rant.
There is a cave system, small, very small, that is iron barred to prevent the Gen pop from entering. The reason? The Indiana Bat. Seems this bat is on the protected list here in AL! After some research on my part, the bat was put on the list when the population dropped to 3 MILLION! The estimated population from the last survey conducted in 18 puts the population at 6M. The range of this bat includes at a minimum of 7 states with an overall population of over 25 million. SMH . But...because of the protection status in effect (and always will be) the area is still considered off limits with Federal FELONY prosecution as the deterant. Just boils my blood that the powers in charge pull this crap, all the time, everywhere.
I know most ppl really don't have an opinion on this particular subject, until they learn they CANT do what they want bcs of the bs.

Thanks for letting me rant
Just a little rant over the crap that our bureaucr... (show quote)


If you get this way over the bay protection law,I’m pretty sure that we could sit down to a beer and wet a line on a bank,don’t get me started,have a great 4th Of July Weekend 🎣

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