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Mar 26, 2023 01:56:43   #
Still above water Loc: San Francisco ca
 
DozerDave wrote:
No, I use to until I discovered this method and now that’s all I do. It doesn’t seem to detour the fish at all… 🐟on


Takes for the tip. When trout fishing I usually clip back 50ft. I’ll try your technique.👍

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Mar 26, 2023 02:52:14   #
woodguru Loc: El Dorado Ca
 
DozerDave wrote:
I fish exclusively for Kokanee. I run cable on Cannon electric down riggers that can hum me to sleep. I clip about 15’ behind the ball. I have a very good catch rate. I read where the cable vibration is actually an attraction for Kokanee. It works for me on a regular basis… 🐟on


Nice catch...this season I am going to work jigging for Kokanee until I get the hang of it, been watching tons of videos by both guides and enthusiasts...it not only looks like a blast, it looks to be as sure fire as being able to find schools of Kokanee.

If I can't get the hang of it I'll resort to plan B which is a pair of downriggers...

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Mar 26, 2023 03:28:36   #
Still above water Loc: San Francisco ca
 
Still above water wrote:
Thanks for the tip. When trout fishing I usually clip back 50ft. I’ll try your technique.👍

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Mar 26, 2023 11:50:12   #
DozerDave Loc: Port Orchard Wa.
 
Still above water wrote:
Takes for the tip. When trout fishing I usually clip back 50ft. I’ll try your technique.👍


I’m not sure how it will work for trout. I don’t fish for them… 🐟on

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Mar 26, 2023 11:53:37   #
DozerDave Loc: Port Orchard Wa.
 
woodguru wrote:
Nice catch...this season I am going to work jigging for Kokanee until I get the hang of it, been watching tons of videos by both guides and enthusiasts...it not only looks like a blast, it looks to be as sure fire as being able to find schools of Kokanee.

If I can't get the hang of it I'll resort to plan B which is a pair of downriggers...


I’ve never tried jigging. I’ll have to look into it. Let us know how you do. Good luck… 🐟on

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Mar 27, 2023 20:59:36   #
Sierraman73 Loc: El Dorado County, Ca
 
As you are aware there are many ways to fish for trout while lake fishing. There are variables conditions that can dictate the best strategy. Having said that, if your fishing for trout in Sierra lakes such as Comanche Amador, Pardee, Jenkinson, Icehouse, Union valley, Loon, Stumpy Meadows, Bear River, Silver, Caples or Indian Creek lakes etc. there is one strategy that works 90% of the time provided there is a decent population of fish in the lake. The "old standby" is 1/2 of a large nightcrawler behind a watermelon dodger in 20 ft of water. The crawler should be 14" to 18" behind the dodger. I typically add a 1/8 oz. egg sinker before a swivel in front of the dodger to get the crawler to the right dept. I typically run my line out 65 to 70 ft. and troll at 1.0 to 1.5 mph. Adding a scent to the crawler sometimes helps. Also, if you have a fish finder watch for drop off along the shore. When you presentation slides over the drop off be ready for a bite. Also, the fish will typically hit the worm twice. The first hit will be a swipe at the crawler followed by a bite 1 to 2 seconds later. Be prepared to set the hook on the second hit. The only reason this does not work is there are no fish in the lake or the lake is too dirty for the dodger and crawler to attract fish (winter conditions). You can switch out different color dodgers if one is not working. Try this, you will be surprised. Tight Lines!

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Mar 27, 2023 21:17:24   #
woodguru Loc: El Dorado Ca
 
Sierraman73 wrote:
As you are aware there are many ways to fish for trout while lake fishing. There are variables conditions that can dictate the best strategy. Having said that, if your fishing for trout in Sierra lakes such as Comanche Amador, Pardee, Jenkinson, Icehouse, Union valley, Loon, Stumpy Meadows, Bear River, Silver, Caples or Indian Creek lakes etc. there is one strategy that works 90% of the time provided there is a decent population of fish in the lake. The "old standby" is 1/2 of a large nightcrawler behind a watermelon dodger in 20 ft of water. The crawler should be 14" to 18" behind the dodger. I typically add a 1/8 oz. egg sinker before a swivel in front of the dodger to get the crawler to the right dept. I typically run my line out 65 to 70 ft. and troll at 1.0 to 1.5 mph. Adding a scent to the crawler sometimes helps. Also, if you have a fish finder watch for drop off along the shore. When you presentation slides over the drop off be ready for a bite. Also, the fish will typically hit the worm twice. The first hit will be a swipe at the crawler followed by a bite 1 to 2 seconds later. Be prepared to set the hook on the second hit. The only reason this does not work is there are no fish in the lake or the lake is too dirty for the dodger and crawler to attract fish (winter conditions). You can switch out different color dodgers if one is not working. Try this, you will be surprised. Tight Lines!
As you are aware there are many ways to fish for t... (show quote)


Thanks, I keep hearing guys talking about their old standby crawler when nothing else is working.

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Mar 27, 2023 21:40:43   #
Still above water Loc: San Francisco ca
 
Sierraman73 wrote:
As you are aware there are many ways to fish for trout while lake fishing. There are variables conditions that can dictate the best strategy. Having said that, if your fishing for trout in Sierra lakes such as Comanche Amador, Pardee, Jenkinson, Icehouse, Union valley, Loon, Stumpy Meadows, Bear River, Silver, Caples or Indian Creek lakes etc. there is one strategy that works 90% of the time provided there is a decent population of fish in the lake. The "old standby" is 1/2 of a large nightcrawler behind a watermelon dodger in 20 ft of water. The crawler should be 14" to 18" behind the dodger. I typically add a 1/8 oz. egg sinker before a swivel in front of the dodger to get the crawler to the right dept. I typically run my line out 65 to 70 ft. and troll at 1.0 to 1.5 mph. Adding a scent to the crawler sometimes helps. Also, if you have a fish finder watch for drop off along the shore. When you presentation slides over the drop off be ready for a bite. Also, the fish will typically hit the worm twice. The first hit will be a swipe at the crawler followed by a bite 1 to 2 seconds later. Be prepared to set the hook on the second hit. The only reason this does not work is there are no fish in the lake or the lake is too dirty for the dodger and crawler to attract fish (winter conditions). You can switch out different color dodgers if one is not working. Try this, you will be surprised. Tight Lines!
As you are aware there are many ways to fish for t... (show quote)


Wow…Stumpy Meadows. A favorite lake in late spring. Had some fabulous days fishing there. Little Cleo’s and Phobes.

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Mar 28, 2023 02:42:44   #
NoCal Steve Loc: Dunnigan, CA
 
woodguru wrote:
Thanks, I keep hearing guys talking about their old standby crawler when nothing else is working.


Naked crawlers is a great technique for big Browns at Lake Almanor.



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Mar 28, 2023 03:21:43   #
woodguru Loc: El Dorado Ca
 
Still above water wrote:
Wow…Stumpy Meadows. A favorite lake in late spring. Had some fabulous days fishing there. Little Cleo’s and Phobes.


I'll have to hit Stumpy this year at some point, my cousin's husband lives in Georgetown, wants to hook up for some fishing.

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Mar 28, 2023 04:08:38   #
NoCal Steve Loc: Dunnigan, CA
 
So Wood, let me see if I understand the reason you started this post. Seems like we never get enough fishing time and we often have to fish when we can. Which means we aren't on the water during the best times and that makes fishing even harder. So it's good to have a plan but be prepared to change or adapt to what you learn when you are on the water. But, instead of working together as a team to catch fish, your fishing partner is willy nilly doing his own thing and just wasting time. He won't listen to your logic or brainstorm with you to come up with a new plan. At this point I got lost cause I'm not sure if you are asking why people are like that, how to deal with them, or if you are just venting off some steam?

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Mar 28, 2023 14:48:51   #
saw1 Loc: nor cal Windsor
 
NoCal Steve wrote:
So Wood, let me see if I understand the reason you started this post. Seems like we never get enough fishing time and we often have to fish when we can. Which means we aren't on the water during the best times and that makes fishing even harder. So it's good to have a plan but be prepared to change or adapt to what you learn when you are on the water. But, instead of working together as a team to catch fish, your fishing partner is willy nilly doing his own thing and just wasting time. He won't listen to your logic or brainstorm with you to come up with a new plan. At this point I got lost cause I'm not sure if you are asking why people are like that, how to deal with them, or if you are just venting off some steam?
So Wood, let me see if I understand the reason you... (show quote)


Hey Steve. I wondered the same thing.
I would either get a new fishin partner OR just keep the one you have and troll the speed that works best for the lure YOU'RE usin.
HEY, MY boat and I'm captain. I'm trollin blades and worms and we're trollin 1.5 mph. OR I'm trollin Rapalas and we're trollin 3.5mph. You get the drift.
You do that enough and one of 3 things will happen.

1- you're the only person that is catchin fish because you're lure is workin properly.
2- your buddy changes over to what you're usin and starts catchin fish too.
3- your buddy stops fishin with you and you find another more compatible partner.

Take your pick. They're all a win win as far as catchin more fish.
Some people just aren't open to learnin the proper way to catch fish. They think they know best and won't listen to anyone else. It doesn't matter that you are catchin fish and they aren't.
I've fished with guys before that kept usin their favorite lure and wouldn't change to what I was usin.
It didn't matter that I was catchin fish and they weren't. Never understood that mentality.

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Mar 28, 2023 14:59:54   #
Still above water Loc: San Francisco ca
 
saw1 wrote:
Hey Steve. I wondered the same thing.
I would either get a new fishin partner OR just keep the one you have and troll the speed that works best for the lure YOU'RE usin.
HEY, MY boat and I'm captain. I'm trollin blades and worms and we're trollin 1.5 mph. OR I'm trollin Rapalas and we're trollin 3.5mph. You get the drift.
You do that enough and one of 3 things will happen.

1- you're the only person that is catchin fish because you're lure is workin properly.
2- your buddy changes over to what you're usin and starts catchin fish too.
3- your buddy stops fishin with you and you find another more compatible partner.

Take your pick. They're all a win win as far as catchin more fish.
Some people just aren't open to learnin the proper way to catch fish. They think they know best and won't listen to anyone else. It doesn't matter that you are catchin fish and they aren't.
I've fished with guys before that kept usin their favorite lure and wouldn't change to what I was usin.
It didn't matter that I was catchin fish and they weren't. Never understood that mentality.
Hey Steve. I wondered the same thing. br I would ... (show quote)


You nailed it brother 👍

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Mar 28, 2023 15:14:06   #
Still above water Loc: San Francisco ca
 
saw1 wrote:
Hey Steve. I wondered the same thing.
I would either get a new fishin partner OR just keep the one you have and troll the speed that works best for the lure YOU'RE usin.
HEY, MY boat and I'm captain. I'm trollin blades and worms and we're trollin 1.5 mph. OR I'm trollin Rapalas and we're trollin 3.5mph. You get the drift.
You do that enough and one of 3 things will happen.

1- you're the only person that is catchin fish because you're lure is workin properly.
2- your buddy changes over to what you're usin and starts catchin fish too.
3- your buddy stops fishin with you and you find another more compatible partner.

Take your pick. They're all a win win as far as catchin more fish.
Some people just aren't open to learnin the proper way to catch fish. They think they know best and won't listen to anyone else. It doesn't matter that you are catchin fish and they aren't.
I've fished with guys before that kept usin their favorite lure and wouldn't change to what I was usin.
It didn't matter that I was catchin fish and they weren't. Never understood that mentality.
Hey Steve. I wondered the same thing. br I would ... (show quote)


Hey Steve, George and I are meeting NoCal Steve Thursday morning at Berryessa. Gonna fish out of his boat. Gonna target the bass. NoCal is very excited to learn George’s hot spots and techniques. I’m gonna sit back and learn from both of them, (relating to your post), it Should be a great learning experience for all of us. Hopefully the weather will cooperate! And we will get some good insight for our upcoming camping trip at Berryessa in a few weeks. Hope u can make it!👍👍👍

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Mar 28, 2023 15:19:51   #
woodguru Loc: El Dorado Ca
 
NoCal Steve wrote:
So Wood, let me see if I understand the reason you started this post. Seems like we never get enough fishing time and we often have to fish when we can. Which means we aren't on the water during the best times and that makes fishing even harder. So it's good to have a plan but be prepared to change or adapt to what you learn when you are on the water. But, instead of working together as a team to catch fish, your fishing partner is willy nilly doing his own thing and just wasting time. He won't listen to your logic or brainstorm with you to come up with a new plan. At this point I got lost cause I'm not sure if you are asking why people are like that, how to deal with them, or if you are just venting off some steam?
So Wood, let me see if I understand the reason you... (show quote)


Kind of like the title implies...adapting to conditions is a huge deal, but it takes strategies and plans with the persistence to give the chosen strategies a fair chance...which is part of the confidence needed to help stick with good techniques...which leads us to the fishing buddy that isn't happy with trying set strategies to where it's hard to lock in on ideas...and more often than not they don't have any cohesive ideas of their own.

A good example...trolling spoons and Rapalas at around 2.7 when friend says
...I'm going to put Kokanee rigs on

I explained to him that we needed to slow it down to where the Koke setups work well, and as soon as we give the spoons we've got a shot we can switch over to rigging up slower trolling rigs and shoot for some Kokanee

My point was that you have to give the things you were setup to try a good chance before switching up strategies, and guys that aren't feeling confidence in a method are not giving them a fair shot.

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