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Nov 12, 2022 15:03:58   #
Kerry Hansen Loc: Bremerton, WA
 
nutz4fish wrote:
Fred.... The main reason for not interfering with property crimes seems to be an over abundance of civil suits that have been filed by the "victims" of "abuse" at the hands of those preventing criminal activity. The courts will even award obscene amounts of damages to criminals who get injured during the commission of a crime, up to and including doing stuff where they harm themselves by their own clumsiness or stupidity. Insurance companies routinely settle this stuff before a trial, to avoid litigation costs, and of course your liability fees must increase for something they do, and they sweeten their own pot a bit in the process.
I've read several things where for example, and I'm paraphrasing here... A burglar is interrupted while stealing someone's property, and while fleeing the scene, breaks a leg jumping over your fence. Bingo... he lawyers up and they file a negligence suit against you for having an unsafe fence . If you're properly insured no immediate big problem, Insurance company settles, burglar and attorney laugh all the way to the bank, & your rates increase next time around. If you're underinsured or uninsured, you're toast, headed toward bankruptcy. Criminal proceedings against the miscreant tossed out or plea bargained down to nearly nothing. Costs too many tax dollars to incarcerate anyone for a minor criminal infraction. Repeat cycle. Bottom line, we have allowed lowlifes to have more value than Joe Lunchbox. Sad indeed. Rant over.
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Years ago after I retired I started going to CA to run one of my Son's Christmas tree lots. I had thieves coming over an 8' tall fence and throw $100 dollar Christmas trees over the fence. I finally got so pissed that I left a board buried under the walk way sawdust consisting of a board with a few nails for them to step on when in the lot in the middle of the night. They never, that I know about it, stepped on the nails. I mentioned it to a regular good customer who was an attorney who used to be a prosecutor, but was now a Defense attorney. She said NO, you shouldn't do that, because you would be prosecuted even if they trespassed after hours and were stealing from you!

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Nov 12, 2022 15:28:28   #
Clappy Loc: Michigan
 
Vote the Left WING Bleeding Heart Libs out of office!! Drain the Swamp !!

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Nov 12, 2022 15:33:41   #
Fredfish Loc: Prospect CT.
 
nutz4fish wrote:
Fred.... The main reason for not interfering with property crimes seems to be an over abundance of civil suits that have been filed by the "victims" of "abuse" at the hands of those preventing criminal activity. The courts will even award obscene amounts of damages to criminals who get injured during the commission of a crime, up to and including doing stuff where they harm themselves by their own clumsiness or stupidity. Insurance companies routinely settle this stuff before a trial, to avoid litigation costs, and of course your liability fees must increase for something they do, and they sweeten their own pot a bit in the process.
I've read several things where for example, and I'm paraphrasing here... A burglar is interrupted while stealing someone's property, and while fleeing the scene, breaks a leg jumping over your fence. Bingo... he lawyers up and they file a negligence suit against you for having an unsafe fence . If you're properly insured no immediate big problem, Insurance company settles, burglar and attorney laugh all the way to the bank, & your rates increase next time around. If you're underinsured or uninsured, you're toast, headed toward bankruptcy. Criminal proceedings against the miscreant tossed out or plea bargained down to nearly nothing. Costs too many tax dollars to incarcerate anyone for a minor criminal infraction. Repeat cycle. Bottom line, we have allowed lowlifes to have more value than Joe Lunchbox. Sad indeed. Rant over.
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It is sad Maxx, that criminals have more rights than the victims of their crimes. It's about time for another revolution in this country. I'm just glad I'm on the downhill side of my life, so I won't see America turn into Mad Max land.

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Nov 12, 2022 16:30:53   #
Clappy Loc: Michigan
 
Indeed.

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Nov 12, 2022 20:27:45   #
Donjames Loc: Oak Harbor, Wa.
 
I worked 40 plus years in the grocery business, mostly for a chain owned by Kroger. I was in management for most all of the time. It is correct that only certain management employees that have been trained in shoplifting apprehension may stop a shoplifter, and then only under certain conditions. Other employees may be fired for trying to intervene.
A couple of the reasons for the policy.
1. The company has had numerous employees hurt and almost killed trying to stop a shoplifter. Never know if the person has a weapon, or just wants to fight the employee trying to stop them.
2. Some suspected shoplifters have been stopped and they did not have any merchandise on them. They could have ditched it on an aisle or whatever. Then you could have a lawsuit coming.
So the risks are not worth it for the company or employee. Unfortunately, it really puts the criminal in a huge advantage. It is really sad, was not like this when I started 40 years ago.
Our society has gotten really bad, but Jesus said it would be like this in the end times, so I am not one bit surprised.

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Nov 12, 2022 20:41:31   #
Fredfish Loc: Prospect CT.
 
Donjames wrote:
I worked 40 plus years in the grocery business, mostly for a chain owned by Kroger. I was in management for most all of the time. It is correct that only certain management employees that have been trained in shoplifting apprehension may stop a shoplifter, and then only under certain conditions. Other employees may be fired for trying to intervene.
A couple of the reasons for the policy.
1. The company has had numerous employees hurt and almost killed trying to stop a shoplifter. Never know if the person has a weapon, or just wants to fight the employee trying to stop them.
2. Some suspected shoplifters have been stopped and they did not have any merchandise on them. They could have ditched it on an aisle or whatever. Then you could have a lawsuit coming.
So the risks are not worth it for the company or employee. Unfortunately, it really puts the criminal in a huge advantage. It is really sad, was not like this when I started 40 years ago.
Our society has gotten really bad, but Jesus said it would be like this in the end times, so I am not one bit surprised.
I worked 40 plus years in the grocery business, mo... (show quote)


As I stated earlier, I can understand letting food thieves go. It's the people walking out of Walmart with 3TVs in the cart, or out of Home Depot with $2,000 worth of power tools, and nobody does anything about it, that boils my blood. They don't chase carjackers, bank robbers, or anyone but the occasional murderer. I don't understand it.

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Nov 12, 2022 20:47:36   #
Kerry Hansen Loc: Bremerton, WA
 
Fredfish wrote:
As I stated earlier, I can understand letting food thieves go. It's the people walking out of Walmart with 3TVs in the cart, or out of Home Depot with $2,000 worth of power tools, and nobody does anything about it, that boils my blood. They don't chase carjackers, bank robbers, or anyone but the occasional murderer. I don't understand it.


From what I have heard, research indicates excusing lesser crimes only increases the repeat and escalation to more serious crimes. Where will it end?

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Nov 12, 2022 20:53:52   #
Fredfish Loc: Prospect CT.
 
Kerry Hansen wrote:
From what I have heard, research indicates excusing lesser crimes only increases the repeat and escalation to more serious crimes. Where will it end?


At this rate it won't end Kerry, only continue to get worse.

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Nov 12, 2022 21:00:29   #
Kerry Hansen Loc: Bremerton, WA
 
Fredfish wrote:
At this rate it won't end Kerry, only continue to get worse.


Yes, look at what HAS BEEN HAPPENING OVER THE PAST YEARS! It has been getting worse. Do you remember how CAR JACKING started and it was really a lot, then the FEDERAL government weighed in to say it would be a federal crime. Well for a federal crime, you do the whole sentence and not get back out early because you were good in prison. Then car jacking numbers fell.

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Nov 12, 2022 21:15:09   #
Papacon357 Loc: West Texas (Permian Basin)
 
Carry a full-face mask. Put it on, catch them as they exit the store. Beat the hell out of them and walk away. (Just be sure not to put your mask on in viewing area of any cameras. )

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Nov 12, 2022 21:29:03   #
Fredfish Loc: Prospect CT.
 
Kerry Hansen wrote:
Yes, look at what HAS BEEN HAPPENING OVER THE PAST YEARS! It has been getting worse. Do you remember how CAR JACKING started and it was really a lot, then the FEDERAL government weighed in to say it would be a federal crime. Well for a federal crime, you do the whole sentence and not get back out early because you were good in prison. Then car jacking numbers fell.


You wouldn't know it around here, they haven't slowed down very much. The numbers will start going back up around the holidays too. Our state practices catch an release.

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Nov 13, 2022 09:39:27   #
whtoak Loc: South Carolina
 
Kerry Hansen wrote:
My wife got a call from her Brother. He is handicapped and is recognizes by the state as so, but would rather work, so he works two different jobs to pay his way. He stocks shelves in a large multi product store like a Kroger. He told my wife that a couple days ago a guy comes in with a big bag with some cloths in it and grabbed some stuff off the shelf and said, "YOU CAN"T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT" and Left the store. My brother-in-law told my wife that they were told by management that if you try to stop them they will be fired!
About 8 or 10 years ago he invited me to go with him to a banquet dinner for awards given to employees for years on the job. It was random seating so I happen to sit next to an executive who ran the theft protection group for all the stores. Now this was way back before all the woke and other crap that has been going on now days. In talking to him I asked him how much the organization had to pay out for employees working in that area as well as cost of lost goods. Without blinking he said $100,000,000 a year !!! Imagine how much they have to pay now, lots more. We all have seen comments on the price of groceries and stuff. They can't just eat those costs, that has to get passed on in cost of goods we buy, so WE are paying for those crooks. If I had a say, they would have to be locked up for more than a day or so before they are cut loose to repeat the whole process knowing they will only at a MAXIMUM get a slap on the hand less sever than what we got as a kid with a slap of a ruler on a hand!
My wife got a call from her Brother. He is handica... (show quote)


As long as we as a society tolerate the behavior, people will continue with it. When we as a whole, do not tolerate it, it will for the most part stop. There will always be a few who refuse to comply, but the vast majority will respect firm discipline.

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Nov 13, 2022 13:08:32   #
Kerry Hansen Loc: Bremerton, WA
 
whtoak wrote:
As long as we as a society tolerate the behavior, people will continue with it. When we as a whole, do not tolerate it, it will for the most part stop. There will always be a few who refuse to comply, but the vast majority will respect firm discipline.



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Nov 13, 2022 14:35:21   #
Justoldjim Loc: JUNCTION CITY, OR.
 
flyguy wrote:
Good morning, Kerry. And, how do we beat them so that our prices go down?


We can try to stop them, we don't have orders not to if they are not armed kick there buts

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Nov 13, 2022 15:52:19   #
runandgun Loc: East Texas
 
The country is in a downward spiral with evil reigning; as evidenced by recent events this past week.

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