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Aug 21, 2022 11:44:20   #
DC Loc: Washington state
 
this is in response to: DC the point is does one walk up and say give me, or does one walk up and say Hi i am interested in finding fishing info for.
Most of the generation on the stage except for a few, were brought up with manners of respect if we wanted anything.
True it is a fair question, but like food in a restaurant, presentation will get results or not.

Ok hope you followed me over. Here is the deal the acceptable "Polite" or "normal" vary from place to place and generation to generation. This new member was simply posting a question to people that have a common interest in fishing and the whole idea of the forum was and is billed as a place to ask questions, share information and get fishing reports. Of course the attic shows that it is much more but for a new member he most likely is not aware of all the other things that goes on like this discussion. But to your point what people in the east coast , south, or west coast consider expected polite behavior can very greatly, and of course "acceptable behavior" can very a lot between different generations and even between in person and on line communications. In this case for me out here on the west coast being 72 years old and living right in the center of the Microsoft main campus what he did was completely acceptable and normal behavior, while criticizing a new member for how he asked his question in itself was unacceptable and rude behavior. So which behavior was not "polite behavior"? well apparently it depends on where you are from, where you were raised, what generation you are from, and since this platform serves a multi generation, multi-cultural audience the best thing to do is act according to your acceptable polite standards and don't expect everyone else to have the same standards. A little bit of grace goes a long ways

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Aug 21, 2022 11:56:18   #
ripogenu Loc: norfolk, MA
 
DC wrote:
this is in response to: DC the point is does one walk up and say give me, or does one walk up and say Hi i am interested in finding fishing info for.
Most of the generation on the stage except for a few, were brought up with manners of respect if we wanted anything.
True it is a fair question, but like food in a restaurant, presentation will get results or not.

Ok hope you followed me over. Here is the deal the acceptable "Polite" or "normal" vary from place to place and generation to generation. This new member was simply posting a question to people that have a common interest in fishing and the whole idea of the forum was and is billed as a place to ask questions, share information and get fishing reports. Of course the attic shows that it is much more but for a new member he most likely is not aware of all the other things that goes on like this discussion. But to your point what people in the east coast , south, or west coast consider expected polite behavior can very greatly, and of course "acceptable behavior" can very a lot between different generations and even between in person and on line communications. In this case for me out here on the west coast being 72 years old and living right in the center of the Microsoft main campus what he did was completely acceptable and normal behavior, while criticizing a new member for how he asked his question in itself was unacceptable and rude behavior. So which behavior was not "polite behavior"? well apparently it depends on where you are from, where you were raised, what generation you are from, and since this platform serves a multi generation, multi-cultural audience the best thing to do is act according to your acceptable polite standards and don't expect everyone else to have the same standards. A little bit of grace goes a long ways
this is in response to: DC the point is does one w... (show quote)


I agree in principle. If someone is rude to you and it offends, and your response is also rude, you have just been coaxed into offending yourself. I'm sure some of you have seen my tongue in cheek responses to some of the impolite requests. humor can frequently be oil on the water instead of gas on the flame.

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Aug 21, 2022 12:23:02   #
Frank romero Loc: Clovis, NM
 
ripogenu wrote:
I agree in principle. If someone is rude to you and it offends, and your response is also rude, you have just been coaxed into offending yourself. I'm sure some of you have seen my tongue in cheek responses to some of the impolite requests. humor can frequently be oil on the water instead of gas on the flame.


Some people take a comment personally when most of the time it is not an attack on them. I see this a lot on the stage. I read most of the comments but don’t take any of them personally. Now if I get a private message I know it is for me. I don’t necessarily agree with comments, but each of has his own opinions.

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Aug 21, 2022 12:52:27   #
DC Loc: Washington state
 
Frank romero wrote:
Some people take a comment personally when most of the time it is not an attack on them. I see this a lot on the stage. I read most of the comments but don’t take any of them personally. Now if I get a private message I know it is for me. I don’t necessarily agree with comments, but each of has his own opinions.


one of the problem with on line communication is there is no facial feedback, intonenation so the emotion is often either read into it or left out of it which is a big part of communication

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Aug 21, 2022 13:53:45   #
Flytier Loc: Wilmington Delaware
 
I find this posy very interesting. We, as a population, have different expectations for behavior. I've seen requests here that made my toes curl the way they were presented. But if you look at the lead in that brought most of us here, it does give the impression that you can get a local report. You have to hang around a while to learn what the stage is REALLY all about. So I guess what everybody needs is patience.

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Aug 21, 2022 13:54:51   #
ripogenu Loc: norfolk, MA
 
or a beer while they wait....

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Aug 21, 2022 13:59:53   #
Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.
 
DC wrote:
this is in response to: DC the point is does one walk up and say give me, or does one walk up and say Hi i am interested in finding fishing info for.
Most of the generation on the stage except for a few, were brought up with manners of respect if we wanted anything.
True it is a fair question, but like food in a restaurant, presentation will get results or not.

Ok hope you followed me over. Here is the deal the acceptable "Polite" or "normal" vary from place to place and generation to generation. This new member was simply posting a question to people that have a common interest in fishing and the whole idea of the forum was and is billed as a place to ask questions, share information and get fishing reports. Of course the attic shows that it is much more but for a new member he most likely is not aware of all the other things that goes on like this discussion. But to your point what people in the east coast , south, or west coast consider expected polite behavior can very greatly, and of course "acceptable behavior" can very a lot between different generations and even between in person and on line communications. In this case for me out here on the west coast being 72 years old and living right in the center of the Microsoft main campus what he did was completely acceptable and normal behavior, while criticizing a new member for how he asked his question in itself was unacceptable and rude behavior. So which behavior was not "polite behavior"? well apparently it depends on where you are from, where you were raised, what generation you are from, and since this platform serves a multi generation, multi-cultural audience the best thing to do is act according to your acceptable polite standards and don't expect everyone else to have the same standards. A little bit of grace goes a long ways
this is in response to: DC the point is does one w... (show quote)


I also agree DC, the person posted his request in the Main Section, for me ,his question was normal for Salmon enthusiasts, because the Salmon don't always stay in one area for very long times, thus his question , but to turn his request into a personal jab is not good for the fishing Stage, jmo✌

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Aug 21, 2022 14:02:27   #
Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.
 
DC wrote:
one of the problem with on line communication is there is no facial feedback, intonenation so the emotion is often either read into it or left out of it which is a big part of communication


Exactly right !! Lord knows I'm guilty of that many times over, sometimes the printed words just do not match what I mean,,😩✌

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Aug 24, 2022 20:39:25   #
Mauwehu Loc: Norwalk Ct
 
And then there’s spell check that can change your words completely. I’m very aware of differences in the language itself. If Someone calls my house and asks for me my wife will say “ just a minute I’ll get him for you. “
If I call down south and ask for Jim I’ll get a “just a minute please…and how are you doing today?”and connects me.
If I call Pennsylvania and ask if Jim is there the person who answers says, “ yes he is would you like to speak to him? “
If I call NYC and ask for Jim all I hear is JIM being shouted and the phone being dropped.
Can’t we just get along?

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