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Jul 22, 2022 00:41:20   #
DCGravity Loc: Fairfax, VA (by way of Cleveland OH)
 
I never thought I'd ever see those two words in the same sentence, but here we are. What are your thoughts on this recent article in Outdoor Life? https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/smallmouth-bass-invasive-grand-canyon/

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Jul 22, 2022 06:19:11   #
OJdidit Loc: Oak Creek Wisconsin
 
All I know is they are fun to catch! I’ve never heard of the Humpback Shad (until now), so I have no idea how important they are to the Ecosystem.

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Jul 22, 2022 07:35:14   #
flyguy Loc: Lake Onalaska, Sunfish Capitol of the World!
 
OJdidit wrote:
All I know is they are fun to catch! I’ve never heard of the Humpback Shad (until now), so I have no idea how important they are to the Ecosystem.


Interesting!

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Jul 22, 2022 08:30:26   #
Fredfish Loc: Prospect CT.
 
DCGravity wrote:
I never thought I'd ever see those two words in the same sentence, but here we are. What are your thoughts on this recent article in Outdoor Life? https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/smallmouth-bass-invasive-grand-canyon/


I think the "Humpback Chub" reminds me of the "Snail Darter " from years ago. I think the real problem out there is the Drought, and poor water management. If they would build desalination plants to supply their needs, they wouldn't have to drain the waterways dry. Also one modern Nuclear powerplant could replace several Hydroelectric dams, and allow the lakes to replenish in the meantime.

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Jul 22, 2022 08:55:34   #
Bassmatter Loc: Rohnert Park Ca.
 
Fredfish wrote:
I think the "Humpback Chub" reminds me of the "Snail Darter " from years ago. I think the real problem out there is the Drought, and poor water management. If they would build desalination plants to supply their needs, they wouldn't have to drain the waterways dry. Also one modern Nuclear powerplant could replace several Hydroelectric dams, and allow the lakes to replenish in the meantime.


Very well said!

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Jul 22, 2022 08:59:23   #
Fredfish Loc: Prospect CT.
 
Bassmatter wrote:
Very well said!


Thanks Matt, but it makes sense so you know they won't do it.

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Jul 22, 2022 09:21:53   #
DCGravity Loc: Fairfax, VA (by way of Cleveland OH)
 
Fredfish wrote:
I think the "Humpback Chub" reminds me of the "Snail Darter " from years ago. I think the real problem out there is the Drought, and poor water management. If they would build desalination plants to supply their needs, they wouldn't have to drain the waterways dry. Also one modern Nuclear powerplant could replace several Hydroelectric dams, and allow the lakes to replenish in the meantime.


Fred - yes, that's right! I almost forgot about those. And I agree with your assessment; hydroelectric in a desert makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.

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Jul 22, 2022 10:07:06   #
Fredfish Loc: Prospect CT.
 
DCGravity wrote:
Fred - yes, that's right! I almost forgot about those. And I agree with your assessment; hydroelectric in a desert makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.


If they had started when the drought started, what 10 years ago, everything would be up and running by now.

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Jul 22, 2022 11:13:00   #
Randyhartford Loc: Lawrence, Kansas
 
DCGravity wrote:
Fred - yes, that's right! I almost forgot about those. And I agree with your assessment; hydroelectric in a desert makes about as much sense as a screen door on a submarine.


Agreed!

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Jul 23, 2022 13:20:35   #
bapabear Loc: Blaine, Washington
 
Fredfish wrote:
I think the "Humpback Chub" reminds me of the "Snail Darter " from years ago. I think the real problem out there is the Drought, and poor water management. If they would build desalination plants to supply their needs, they wouldn't have to drain the waterways dry. Also one modern Nuclear powerplant could replace several Hydroelectric dams, and allow the lakes to replenish in the meantime.


Think about it. If they build nuclear plants to replace hydro, the next step will be to remove the dams as they interrupt the natural flow and salmon spawn, like is being pushed on the Lower Snake river. Then there will be no reservoirs at all. Fishing is the last concern of the power structure. In the northwest, The native people are using salmon as the excuse to remove the dams, but what will that really do if we don't figure out a way to replace all the river estuaries we have filled in to make cities. The salmon need the costal estuaries to grow as smolt and fingerlings before heading out to sea. The salmon then need their sources of food protected. If it ain't one thing it is another.

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Jul 23, 2022 13:50:20   #
Fredfish Loc: Prospect CT.
 
bapabear wrote:
Think about it. If they build nuclear plants to replace hydro, the next step will be to remove the dams as they interrupt the natural flow and salmon spawn, like is being pushed on the Lower Snake river. Then there will be no reservoirs at all. Fishing is the last concern of the power structure. In the northwest, The native people are using salmon as the excuse to remove the dams, but what will that really do if we don't figure out a way to replace all the river estuaries we have filled in to make cities. The salmon need the costal estuaries to grow as smolt and fingerlings before heading out to sea. The salmon then need their sources of food protected. If it ain't one thing it is another.
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I wouldn't remove the dams, but work on the fish ladder concept until they get something that works. Keep the Hydro generators on standby. If the southern half of the state supplied it's own water, the reservoirs could refill.

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Jul 23, 2022 14:28:53   #
Ken Rhoads Loc: Peru, Indiana
 
Having worked in the utility industry I can till you a nuke plant needs plenty of water to operate. Hydro plants save it's customers because it's the least expensive and environmentally safe.

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Jul 23, 2022 14:42:48   #
Fredfish Loc: Prospect CT.
 
Ken Rhoads wrote:
Having worked in the utility industry I can till you a nuke plant needs plenty of water to operate. Hydro plants save it's customers because it's the least expensive and environmentally safe.


Until they run out of water. Have you seen the water levels in California?
The best place to build a Nuclear plant is on a tidal river that empties into the ocean .





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Jul 23, 2022 16:11:06   #
Ken Rhoads Loc: Peru, Indiana
 
So true.

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Jul 24, 2022 06:08:11   #
Jeremy Loc: America
 
Lots of people and less rain.... Everybody wants a shower and fresh water. Not enough water.

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