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Apr 19, 2022 17:43:51   #
greenfrog Loc: Central NJ
 
Trying to switch out treble hooks to single hooks. Want to cut down on fish injuries.

I tried it on a spoon and this happened. The spoon was spinning around so much it put in a lot of line twist.
Probably ruined the action also. So went back to the original treble hook.
Maybe the treble added enough drag to reduce the spinning.
Can I make this work or should I just change out the hooks on plugs?
Any help would be appreciated.

The single hook is 7237CB VMC inline single size 4

Thomas Colorado spoon 1/4 oz
Thomas Colorado spoon 1/4 oz...





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Apr 19, 2022 17:47:59   #
Billy awesome Loc: New hampshire
 
greenfrog wrote:
Trying to switch out treble hooks to single hooks. Want to cut down on fish injuries.

I tried it on a spoon and this happened. The spoon was spinning around so much it put in a lot of line twist.
Probably ruined the action also. So went back to the original treble hook.
Maybe the treble added enough drag to reduce the spinning.
Can I make this work or should I just change out the hooks on plugs?
Any help would be appreciated.

The single hook is 7237CB VMC inline single size 4
Trying to switch out treble hooks to single hooks.... (show quote)
good question.
Keep the treble hooks and
Maybe pinch or file off the barbs?

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Apr 19, 2022 18:04:39   #
Tom Z Loc: Perkasie,Pa
 
Try a small ball bearing swivel tied about 6-8 inches above the spoon and tie on the spoon with a loop knot so it swings a bit more freely.

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Apr 19, 2022 18:11:49   #
Grizzly 17 Loc: South central Pa
 
Tom Z wrote:
Try a small ball bearing swivel tied about 6-8 inches above the spoon and tie on the spoon with a loop knot so it swings a bit more freely.


Yep that's the best thing to do 👍

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Apr 19, 2022 18:26:14   #
Fredfish Loc: Prospect CT.
 
greenfrog wrote:
Trying to switch out treble hooks to single hooks. Want to cut down on fish injuries.

I tried it on a spoon and this happened. The spoon was spinning around so much it put in a lot of line twist.
Probably ruined the action also. So went back to the original treble hook.
Maybe the treble added enough drag to reduce the spinning.
Can I make this work or should I just change out the hooks on plugs?
Any help would be appreciated.

The single hook is 7237CB VMC inline single size 4
Trying to switch out treble hooks to single hooks.... (show quote)


I find that the main cause of spoons spinning around is too fast of a retrieval speed. They should wobble back and forth. Perhaps the difference in hook drag changed the ideal retrieve speed, so try slowing down your retrieve. If that doesn't work try the trebles with the barbs mashed down. You could also try dressing the single hook with a little bucktail or feather. That will add a little drag. Good luck and let us know if anything works.

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Apr 19, 2022 18:50:26   #
E.pa.al Loc: Martin's Creek
 
Tom Z wrote:
Try a small ball bearing swivel tied about 6-8 inches above the spoon and tie on the spoon with a loop knot so it swings a bit more freely.


👍👍

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Apr 19, 2022 19:02:10   #
Barnacles Loc: Northern California
 
Not that I know what I'm talking about, because I don't -
but I see that your line or leader is tied directly to the spoon. Depending on the stiffness of the line, I'd think that it could affect the action of the spoon. Just for grins, maybe try a little split ring or snap on the spoon and tie to that. Pull it through some clear water before and after and see if it made any difference?

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Apr 19, 2022 19:10:49   #
Jarheadfishnfool Loc: Woodlake/Tulare ,Ca.
 
Billy awesome wrote:
good question.
Keep the treble hooks and
Maybe pinch or file off the barbs?


File them off ,, Hey Brother I have to admit, every time I see your Avatar, I Crack up Marine !!👍🤣

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Apr 19, 2022 19:18:53   #
greenfrog Loc: Central NJ
 
Tom Z wrote:
Try a small ball bearing swivel tied about 6-8 inches above the spoon and tie on the spoon with a loop knot so it swings a bit more freely.


The reason I went to the direct tie is because I don't know if the spoon hole was smooth enough for the loop knot.

Fred I have to reel fast enough because of these shallow weedy duck ponds we have here. Summer I won't throw that spoon.

Thanks to all who replied. I guess I'll just crush the barbs down and see how that works.

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Apr 19, 2022 19:31:01   #
Fredfish Loc: Prospect CT.
 
greenfrog wrote:
The reason I went to the direct tie is because I don't know if the spoon hole was smooth enough for the loop knot.

Fred I have to reel fast enough because of these shallow weedy duck ponds we have here. Summer I won't throw that spoon.

Thanks to all who replied. I guess I'll just crush the barbs down and see how that works.


I hear that Frog, that's why I don't throw them often. Most places I fish are weedy.

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Apr 19, 2022 19:52:50   #
Gordon Loc: Charleston South Carolina
 
greenfrog wrote:
Trying to switch out treble hooks to single hooks. Want to cut down on fish injuries.

I tried it on a spoon and this happened. The spoon was spinning around so much it put in a lot of line twist.
Probably ruined the action also. So went back to the original treble hook.
Maybe the treble added enough drag to reduce the spinning.
Can I make this work or should I just change out the hooks on plugs?
Any help would be appreciated.

The single hook is 7237CB VMC inline single size 4
Trying to switch out treble hooks to single hooks.... (show quote)


Cut one of the hooks off to make it have only two on it

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Apr 19, 2022 19:56:55   #
greenfrog Loc: Central NJ
 
Thank you Gordon another option.

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Apr 19, 2022 20:06:30   #
Billy awesome Loc: New hampshire
 
Jarheadfishnfool wrote:
File them off ,, Hey Brother I have to admit, every time I see your Avatar, I Crack up Marine !!👍🤣


Ha ha that’s funny. Glad it makes you laugh. My boat looks like it and my son sent me that . It’s my alter ego.

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Apr 19, 2022 21:07:48   #
fishyaker Loc: NW Michigan (Lower Peninsula)
 
Many great replies thus far and lots of ideas for you to try. As mentioned, a spoon typically has a designated wobble action intended. Not sure about the treble hook weight/balance but it could be a factor. I did notice the particular hook model you have is set up with the eyelet in-line with the hook. Those work great on body bait conversions so that the hook rides in line with the lure.

In this case, when mounted, I think the single hook will stay cocked at a 90 degree angle to the spoon instead of dangling in line. Not sure if that would affect the spoon action or not. I believe that VMC makes that same hook with the eyelet rotated.

I use a large variety of small and large casting/trolling spoons set up with single hooks, and the actions are all nice and clean as far as a sashay/wobble. That being said however, I do always use a swivel to attach the spoon. I wonder if a "Fastsnap" connector would be worthy of consideration as opposed to a snap swivel? They don't spin though, so you might be right back to square one. They come in several sizes.

I also wonder about adding a small split ring to the tie in end of the lure. I have not seen any documentation about that facet of lure manufacturing, but when I purchase a spoon without a split ring there I always add one.

An idea regarding the weedy time of season might be to use a weedless hook on the lure and swap out the bare one.

Good luck. I like releasing fish from single hooks...even when all the barbs are mashed down on a treble.

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Apr 19, 2022 22:22:13   #
TexasWomack Loc: Prosper, TX
 
fishyaker wrote:
Many great replies thus far and lots of ideas for you to try. As mentioned, a spoon typically has a designated wobble action intended. Not sure about the treble hook weight/balance but it could be a factor. I did notice the particular hook model you have is set up with the eyelet in-line with the hook. Those work great on body bait conversions so that the hook rides in line with the lure.

In this case, when mounted, I think the single hook will stay cocked at a 90 degree angle to the spoon instead of dangling in line. Not sure if that would affect the spoon action or not. I believe that VMC makes that same hook with the eyelet rotated.

I use a large variety of small and large casting/trolling spoons set up with single hooks, and the actions are all nice and clean as far as a sashay/wobble. That being said however, I do always use a swivel to attach the spoon. I wonder if a "Fastsnap" connector would be worthy of consideration as opposed to a snap swivel? They don't spin though, so you might be right back to square one. They come in several sizes.

I also wonder about adding a small split ring to the tie in end of the lure. I have not seen any documentation about that facet of lure manufacturing, but when I purchase a spoon without a split ring there I always add one.

An idea regarding the weedy time of season might be to use a weedless hook on the lure and swap out the bare one.

Good luck. I like releasing fish from single hooks...even when all the barbs are mashed down on a treble.
Many great replies thus far and lots of ideas for ... (show quote)



What you don’t like a big hook in your finger ? I had a fun day having this monster hook removed from a buzz bait. The hook went all the way through my finger. It wasn’t fun I can tell you that.



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