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Jan 10, 2021 23:43:57   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
Ivey wrote:
Fred, Plum I'm very surprised you guys would talk against our government not surprised at catfish. You guys should think very long and hard at what you are saying, you are slapping every veteran who fought and died for freedom in the face. I'm not a party man I look at all sides of an argument and try to make an informed decision, the man in the WH now is a danger to this country and democracy, he would be a lifetime dictator if allowed, think about what you're saying. You rail about Democrats and ignore the road Republicans are walking down.

Question, If trump had won this e******n in 4 years would you v**e for him to stay in office again because that's his plan. Would you would rip this country apart because one man tells you to?

I don't really like Biden myself but I do believe he will work for the people and no himself and his fortune.
Fred, Plum I'm very surprised you guys would talk ... (show quote)

I did and they're not slapping me🤷🏼‍♂️

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Jan 11, 2021 08:16:00   #
plumbob Loc: New Windsor Maryland
 
Ivey wrote:
She is not the president, the presidents words carries a lot of weight. If she did something against the law, arrest her, what trump did was against the law, the constitution and democracy and he did it in front of the world.


The VP elect words don't carry weight is what you are saying? Wow many of Dem v**ers that see her as Joe's replacement would argue that with you.

Bottom line is where is her slap, if Trump gets a slap where is hers?

Agree with C H here, feels like just wasting my time here. But hope we can agree to disagree.

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Jan 11, 2021 08:43:32   #
Ivey Loc: South Central Tennessee, Tim's Ford Lake
 
plumbob wrote:
The VP elect words don't carry weight is what you are saying? Wow many of Dem v**ers that see her as Joe's replacement would argue that with you.

Bottom line is where is her slap, if Trump gets a slap where is hers?

Agree with C H here, feels like just wasting my time here. But hope we can agree to disagree.


I did not say that at all but since you mention it how many words , besides s****n e******n, have you heard Mike Pence say and act on, I'd wager not many. This is not to me about what anyone said except the president, He incited a r**t and caused an i**********n. If Harris did something illegal by all means arrest her but in my eyes this is unforgivable for a sitting president to incite. He has been a one party president and only worked, very little, for Republicans and demonized the other half of the country. They had nothing to do with his bad decisions but he talked against half of the country from day 1. I think I've posted this before, I'm not affiliated with any party. I've never donated a dime to either side or associated with either side but even here because I'm not rooting for trump I'm treated like an enemy because I don't believe in like you. sorry folks I can not root for someone who is trying to subvert Democracy, and I'll always stand on the side of Democracy and freedom. If speaking out against these actions are wrong then I'm guilty and I'll never chang my mind no matter how many pile on.

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Jan 11, 2021 08:57:10   #
plumbob Loc: New Windsor Maryland
 
Ivey wrote:
I did not say that at all but since you mention it how many words , besides s****n e******n, have you heard Mike Pence say and act on, I'd wager not many. This is not to me about what anyone said except the president, He incited a r**t and caused an i**********n. If Harris did something illegal by all means arrest her but in my eyes this is unforgivable for a sitting president to incite. He has been a one party president and only worked, very little, for Republicans and demonized the other half of the country. They had nothing to do with his bad decisions but he talked against half of the country from day 1. I think I've posted this before, I'm not affiliated with any party. I've never donated a dime to either side or associated with either side but even here because I'm not rooting for trump I'm treated like an enemy because I don't believe in like you. sorry folks I can not root for someone who is trying to subvert Democracy, and I'll always stand on the side of Democracy and freedom. If speaking out against these actions are wrong then I'm guilty and I'll never chang my mind no matter how many pile on.
I did not say that at all but since you mention it... (show quote)


Okay we agree finally that Harris and Trump are equally in the wrong.

That is all i wanted to voice and that some form of payment / punishment for both for their actions should be addressed.

It is just my thought that impeachment is only going to further divide the country and activate m*****as that are already preparing for this week. Then there are the i***ts that stormed many of states capitals as well as the country's capital. Who knows what they are capable of.

As for Harris her status as VP should be replaced. After all she only received 1% from the people when she was running for the top spot.

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Jan 11, 2021 09:11:22   #
Ivey Loc: South Central Tennessee, Tim's Ford Lake
 
Plum, If you'll read back through the posts you'll see I posted "if she did something illegal arrest her" several post back. While I do not think the words of the vice president carries as much weight as the president and no one should be inciting r**ting and attacking our capitol. 5 people died 1of them a police officer because the words of our President.

Harris was chosen by the President elect and he was elected on that platform, that's the way democracy works. The person with the most e*******l v**es wins, If I like it or not that's the way is it. If you guys can shave a little off the Constitution to fit your way of thinking, feel free to try but you can count me out.

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Jan 11, 2021 09:14:55   #
FourchonLa. Loc: Fourchon Louisiana, South Louisiana
 
Ivey wrote:
Plum, If you'll read back through the posts you'll see I posted "if she did something illegal arrest her" several post back. While I do not think the words of the vice president carries as much weight as the president and no one should be inciting r**ting and attacking our capitol. 5 people died 1of them a police officer because the words of our President.

Harris was chosen by the President elect and he was elected on that platform, that's the way democracy works. The person with the most e*******l v**es wins, If I like it or not that's the way is it. If you guys can shave a little off the Constitution to fit your way of thinking, feel free to try but you can count me out.
Plum, If you'll read back through the posts you'll... (show quote)


It’s already happening. Canceling and silencing of free speech and freedom of assembly. Not a word from Joe and Kamala. Nor any democrat in DC for that matter. What’s next?

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Jan 11, 2021 09:19:04   #
plumbob Loc: New Windsor Maryland
 
Ivey wrote:
Plum, If you'll read back through the posts you'll see I posted "if she did something illegal arrest her" several post back. While I do not think the words of the vice president carries as much weight as the president and no one should be inciting r**ting and attacking our capitol. 5 people died 1of them a police officer because the words of our President.

Harris was chosen by the President elect and he was elected on that platform, that's the way democracy works. The person with the most e*******l v**es wins, If I like it or not that's the way is it. If you guys can shave a little off the Constitution to fit your way of thinking, feel free to try but you can count me out.
Plum, If you'll read back through the posts you'll... (show quote)


Ivey i read your recent words and it was there i noticed your agreement.

As for Democracy working the way it does it's sad when i feel she was only picked because of her g****r and ethnic. When she was running for the top spot the people spoke, all 1% of them.

The people should have a say in who the # 2 is going to be. When a person runs for the top office his or her # 2 should be known. After all they just may not make it for 4 years.

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Jan 11, 2021 09:47:47   #
Ivey Loc: South Central Tennessee, Tim's Ford Lake
 
plumbob wrote:
Ivey i read your recent words and it was there i noticed your agreement.

As for Democracy working the way it does it's sad when i feel she was only picked because of her g****r and ethnic. When she was running for the top spot the people spoke, all 1% of them.

The people should have a say in who the # 2 is going to be. When a person runs for the top office his or her # 2 should be known. After all they just may not make it for 4 years.


Harris would have defiantly not been my first choice neither would Biden but I can't do the choosing I cast my v**e and let the chips fall where they may. I wager we wouldn't be having this discussion if Trump had been re-elected. There wouldn't have been a charge of e******n f***d, except the ones trump made before the e******n. There wouldn't have been any screams of r****d e******n except the ones trump made before the e******n and there wouldn't have been and i**********n or calls for death for Pence and so many others trump followers want to do away with.

If trump had been re-elected it would have all been fair and square just like the senators and congress elected on the same ticket that he says were r****d. you don't hear Republicans or trump complaining about those people being illegal elected. It seems strange to me the only states accused of v***r f***d are ALL states trump lost but none he won had any e******n f***d. No one on the right accused any republican v****g state of c***ting so I can only gather those states don't rate the same scrutiny as ones that went left. Way to many holes in trump's stories about our e******n system

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Jan 11, 2021 09:53:11   #
Ivey Loc: South Central Tennessee, Tim's Ford Lake
 
Ivey wrote:
Harris would have defiantly not been my first choice neither would Biden but I can't do the choosing I cast my v**e and let the chips fall where they may. I wager we wouldn't be having this discussion if Trump had been re-elected. There wouldn't have been a charge of e******n f***d, except the ones trump made before the e******n. There wouldn't have been any screams of r****d e******n except the ones trump made before the e******n and there wouldn't have been and i**********n or calls for death for Pence and so many others trump followers want to do away with.

If trump had been re-elected it would have all been fair and square just like the senators and congress elected on the same ticket that he says were r****d. you don't hear Republicans or trump complaining about those people being illegal elected. It seems strange to me the only states accused of v***r f***d are ALL states trump lost but none he won had any e******n f***d. No one on the right accused any republican v****g state of c***ting so I can only gather those states don't rate the same scrutiny as ones that went left. Way to many holes in trump's stories about our e******n system
Harris would have defiantly not been my first choi... (show quote)


Is this what you would chose for our country



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Jan 11, 2021 10:18:20   #
Whitey Loc: Southeast ohio
 
Sad day for country for sure but hopefully it woke up our politicians.

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Jan 11, 2021 10:33:06   #
Ivey Loc: South Central Tennessee, Tim's Ford Lake
 
Whitey wrote:
Sad day for country for sure but hopefully it woke up our politicians.


I certainly hope so myself, to climb to the top on the backs of lies and deceit is no win for the people. What was meant to be a ceremonial procedure, the counting of the e*******l v**es was turned into a circus because politicians wanted to grab their share of v**es from trumps supporters. this attack on democracy will always remain in my mind and probably influence my v**e for the rest of my time on Earth.

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Jan 11, 2021 14:04:19   #
plumbob Loc: New Windsor Maryland
 
Ivey wrote:
Harris would have defiantly not been my first choice neither would Biden but I can't do the choosing I cast my v**e and let the chips fall where they may. I wager we wouldn't be having this discussion if Trump had been re-elected. There wouldn't have been a charge of e******n f***d, except the ones trump made before the e******n. There wouldn't have been any screams of r****d e******n except the ones trump made before the e******n and there wouldn't have been and i**********n or calls for death for Pence and so many others trump followers want to do away with.

If trump had been re-elected it would have all been fair and square just like the senators and congress elected on the same ticket that he says were r****d. you don't hear Republicans or trump complaining about those people being illegal elected. It seems strange to me the only states accused of v***r f***d are ALL states trump lost but none he won had any e******n f***d. No one on the right accused any republican v****g state of c***ting so I can only gather those states don't rate the same scrutiny as ones that went left. Way to many holes in trump's stories about our e******n system
Harris would have defiantly not been my first choi... (show quote)


I believe maybe we, or someone else would be having a discussion of sorts if Trump would have won. Memory serves me correctly Trumps win over Hillary was just as controversial concerning the popular v**e and the e*******l count. Then not long afterwards Nancy starts in her acts of defiance. Especially the tearing up of the speech and now her criminal s******n charge going to be forgotten about.

The constant barrage on TV of dems crying and kids pouting was on the screen for quite some time. As for the civil disrupt 4 years ago that was just as prevalent. Obviously not to the point that it woke up the home team in their park.

Bringing the problem to more of a world wide knowledge just might have been a good thing in an odd sense. The old saying of something good comes out of something bad may just be right. What ever that right is, is yet to be seen.

Referencing your photo, i wonder who that hangman's noose was intended for. Rumors were for Pence. Haven't heard why. I am sure whoever gets the blame for the construction of the gallows is in deep dodo. Not quite sure of the penalty but hear it is rather severe.

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Jan 11, 2021 22:05:18   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
Ivey wrote:
I did not say that at all but since you mention it how many words , besides s****n e******n, have you heard Mike Pence say and act on, I'd wager not many. This is not to me about what anyone said except the president, He incited a r**t and caused an i**********n. If Harris did something illegal by all means arrest her but in my eyes this is unforgivable for a sitting president to incite. He has been a one party president and only worked, very little, for Republicans and demonized the other half of the country. They had nothing to do with his bad decisions but he talked against half of the country from day 1. I think I've posted this before, I'm not affiliated with any party. I've never donated a dime to either side or associated with either side but even here because I'm not rooting for trump I'm treated like an enemy because I don't believe in like you. sorry folks I can not root for someone who is trying to subvert Democracy, and I'll always stand on the side of Democracy and freedom. If speaking out against these actions are wrong then I'm guilty and I'll never chang my mind no matter how many pile on.
I did not say that at all but since you mention it... (show quote)

That's obvious. You've done nothing but slam Trump and republicans as far back as I can remember. How is that not the pot calling the kettle black?

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Jan 11, 2021 22:07:22   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
Ivey wrote:
Plum, If you'll read back through the posts you'll see I posted "if she did something illegal arrest her" several post back. While I do not think the words of the vice president carries as much weight as the president and no one should be inciting r**ting and attacking our capitol. 5 people died 1of them a police officer because the words of our President.

Harris was chosen by the President elect and he was elected on that platform, that's the way democracy works. The person with the most e*******l v**es wins, If I like it or not that's the way is it. If you guys can shave a little off the Constitution to fit your way of thinking, feel free to try but you can count me out.
Plum, If you'll read back through the posts you'll... (show quote)


"You guys"? I guess I can rest my case.

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Jan 11, 2021 22:15:47   #
Catfish hunter Loc: Riggins idaho (Paradise)
 
plumbob wrote:
I believe maybe we, or someone else would be having a discussion of sorts if Trump would have won. Memory serves me correctly Trumps win over Hillary was just as controversial concerning the popular v**e and the e*******l count. Then not long afterwards Nancy starts in her acts of defiance. Especially the tearing up of the speech and now her criminal s******n charge going to be forgotten about.

The constant barrage on TV of dems crying and kids pouting was on the screen for quite some time. As for the civil disrupt 4 years ago that was just as prevalent. Obviously not to the point that it woke up the home team in their park.

Bringing the problem to more of a world wide knowledge just might have been a good thing in an odd sense. The old saying of something good comes out of something bad may just be right. What ever that right is, is yet to be seen.

Referencing your photo, i wonder who that hangman's noose was intended for. Rumors were for Pence. Haven't heard why. I am sure whoever gets the blame for the construction of the gallows is in deep dodo. Not quite sure of the penalty but hear it is rather severe.
I believe maybe we, or someone else would be havin... (show quote)


I don't remember conservatives r**ting, vandalizing, l**ting and burning down businesses and homes and national forests while Obama was in office. Heck there's not even a cult against democrats like A****A is against all republican processes. You'd think people would wake up and see that. They think it's just ok for Harris to bail out and protect A****A from any prosecution. The real crazy part is the left don't even accept it was A****A that crossed the boundaries and attacked the capital dressed as Trump supporters. AFTER law enforcement took down the barriers and let them in.

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