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Side Tracker spreader bars vs. outriggers
Jan 7, 2021 14:43:08   #
Maximo Loc: Jupiter, Fl
 
Anyone had any experience with these alternatives to outriggers? Chatterlures has several models. Some apparently have adjustable ‘rudder’.

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Jan 7, 2021 15:15:13   #
ripogenu Loc: norfolk, MA
 
Maximo wrote:
Anyone had any experience with these alternatives to outriggers? Chatterlures has several models. Some apparently have adjustable ‘rudder’.


having used both in the past, we always had more hits with outriggers than Sbars. plus when you do get a hit you have junk you need to get out of the way, don't need to do that with outriggers.

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Jan 8, 2021 09:19:06   #
Joecat Loc: Florida / Rhode Island
 
If you use out riggers you can have two points of attachment put a bird deep and a bar 1/2 way up the rigger then ballyhooed behind the bar about a wake or two next a green machine next a hex head in tight on a flat line clip same on the opposite side that’s a good 8 rod spread

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Jan 8, 2021 10:01:32   #
ripogenu Loc: norfolk, MA
 
Joecat wrote:
If you use out riggers you can have two points of attachment put a bird deep and a bar 1/2 way up the rigger then ballyhooed behind the bar about a wake or two next a green machine next a hex head in tight on a flat line clip same on the opposite side that’s a good 8 rod spread


that's a pretty busy spread! we usually just go with 5

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Jan 8, 2021 15:31:41   #
FixorFish Loc: SW Oregon
 
Outriggers ?
Ballyhooed ?
Bird ?
Bar ?
Green machine ?
Hex head ?

I know what "down-riggers" are, googling "outriggers", only gets me kayak/canoe stabilizer-type responses. The rest of these terms are either ambiguous towards being a "fishing term", or so very common for some totally different subject ("I met this little bird at the bar, it was called the Ballyhoo, I believe"....... LOL !)

How'sa 'bout speaking (or explaining) the semantics in terms that those unfamiliar with such terms, can grasp your suggestions.... kinda the point of giving direction, in the first place, isn't it ?
Sorry, but it's quite like if I decide to suggest to some aspiring woodworker.......
"go for the S2S 5/4 or even 8/4 stuff, rather than an S4S, so you can SLine the fence side for yourself, retaining the best rip yield & always use KD'd Common, for the inner battens and cob-work, and use the #1& Better , plain-sliced--not quartered, for the face and frame, never anything greater than 6% RH throughout. Follow with a conversion product used with very little retarder for the final fin."

Didja get all that ? Ready to start the project ?
I am familiar with all the designations above and know exactly what the variances are, that might be available as alternatives, but few will, unless you have cabinetry experience.

Part of a big audience here, longing for learning, but google can't hold my hand on your above statement. Please either explain the terms used, or speak to us in less proprietary (colloquial ?) terms, if you would be so kind....we appreciate help, but we have to have a clue as to what you speak of. Thanks.

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Jan 8, 2021 15:50:07   #
Flytier Loc: Wilmington Delaware
 
FixorFish wrote:
Outriggers ?
Ballyhooed ?
Bird ?
Bar ?
Green machine ?
Hex head ?

I know what "down-riggers" are, googling "outriggers", only gets me kayak/canoe stabilizer-type responses. The rest of these terms are either ambiguous towards being a "fishing term", or so very common for some totally different subject ("I met this little bird at the bar, it was called the Ballyhoo, I believe"....... LOL !)

How'sa 'bout speaking (or explaining) the semantics in terms that those unfamiliar with such terms, can grasp your suggestions.... kinda the point of giving direction, in the first place, isn't it ?
Sorry, but it's quite like if I decide to suggest to some aspiring woodworker.......
"go for the S2S 5/4 or even 8/4 stuff, rather than an S4S, so you can SLine the fence side for yourself, retaining the best rip yield & always use KD'd Common, for the inner battens and cob-work, and use the #1& Better , plain-sliced--not quartered, for the face and frame, never anything greater than 6% RH throughout. Follow with a conversion product used with very little retarder for the final fin."

Didja get all that ? Ready to start the project ?
I am familiar with all the designations above and know exactly what the variances are, that might be available as alternatives, but few will, unless you have cabinetry experience.

Part of a big audience here, longing for learning, but google can't hold my hand on your above statement. Please either explain the terms used, or speak to us in less proprietary (colloquial ?) terms, if you would be so kind....we appreciate help, but we have to have a clue as to what you speak of. Thanks.
Outriggers ? br Ballyhooed ? br Bird ? br Bar ? br... (show quote)


All of those terms refer to offshore blue water trolling . I would have to take some time to translate the cabinetry. 😄😄😄

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Jan 8, 2021 16:29:22   #
ripogenu Loc: norfolk, MA
 
FixorFish wrote:
Outriggers ?
Ballyhooed ?
Bird ?
Bar ?
Green machine ?
Hex head ?

I know what "down-riggers" are, googling "outriggers", only gets me kayak/canoe stabilizer-type responses. The rest of these terms are either ambiguous towards being a "fishing term", or so very common for some totally different subject ("I met this little bird at the bar, it was called the Ballyhoo, I believe"....... LOL !)

How'sa 'bout speaking (or explaining) the semantics in terms that those unfamiliar with such terms, can grasp your suggestions.... kinda the point of giving direction, in the first place, isn't it ?
Sorry, but it's quite like if I decide to suggest to some aspiring woodworker.......
"go for the S2S 5/4 or even 8/4 stuff, rather than an S4S, so you can SLine the fence side for yourself, retaining the best rip yield & always use KD'd Common, for the inner battens and cob-work, and use the #1& Better , plain-sliced--not quartered, for the face and frame, never anything greater than 6% RH throughout. Follow with a conversion product used with very little retarder for the final fin."

Didja get all that ? Ready to start the project ?
I am familiar with all the designations above and know exactly what the variances are, that might be available as alternatives, but few will, unless you have cabinetry experience.

Part of a big audience here, longing for learning, but google can't hold my hand on your above statement. Please either explain the terms used, or speak to us in less proprietary (colloquial ?) terms, if you would be so kind....we appreciate help, but we have to have a clue as to what you speak of. Thanks.
Outriggers ? br Ballyhooed ? br Bird ? br Bar ? br... (show quote)


Well fix, having worked at Waltham Millwork I can translate all that for the lay person, as for the fishing terms:
Ballyhoo : a small billed fish used for bait (usually trolled)
Bird: is a tackle rig that mimicks a sheerwater (aquatic bird) chasing bait on the surface
Bar: spreader bar. I don't like using them
Green machine: a rather large piece of tackle that is trolled behind the boat (acts like a school of baitfish) usually a Bird in front of it
Hex head: another trolling lure used to agitate the water with a lot of bubbles.
noticed you didn't mention anything about reading the grain before you send it thru the planer.

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Jan 8, 2021 18:09:33   #
GSMJr Loc: SoCal> Pflugerville (Austin), TX
 
Why use specialty terms that need a 150-word translation that a thesaurus can’t relate to?
Most of us have never been on a trawler or off-shore oil rig, so those unique terms are foreign to us.

I would advise to speak the language of a high school senior, an office worker or a grocery store manager.
Perhaps a picture that you have or an orthographic sketch (line drawing) of your idea would help.

Go fish and enjoy life.

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Jan 8, 2021 18:34:13   #
FixorFish Loc: SW Oregon
 
Well Rip, if you understand the other terminology.... fine.
Shall we bore the others by discussing "planing rift vs.uni-directional, steep or shallow", as well ?
I think not. Not interested in one-upmanship...are you ??
This homey don't play that game....I piss too many folks off.....by winning at it, hehehe !
Learned that lesson LONG time ago.

As I said, a few (you must be ONE) will know, but as GSM says, if it requires a delve into the dictionary more than once, to even get the gist of the advice, you ain't much of a teacher.... just a snob, being dismissive, in your arrogance towards someone new to your slang, imo.

And still ... what are "outriggers" ? Did you mean "planer boards" ?
Do tell. Still curious.

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Jan 8, 2021 18:58:44   #
ripogenu Loc: norfolk, MA
 
FixorFish wrote:
Well Rip, if you understand the other terminology.... fine.
Shall we bore the others by discussing "planing rift vs.uni-directional, steep or shallow", as well ?
I think not. Not interested in one-upmanship...are you ??
This homey don't play that game....I piss too many folks off.....by winning at it, hehehe !
Learned that lesson LONG time ago.

As I said, a few (you must be ONE) will know, but as GSM says, if it requires a delve into the dictionary more than once, to even get the gist of the advice, you ain't much of a teacher.... just a snob, being dismissive, in your arrogance towards someone new to your slang, imo.

And still ... what are "outriggers" ? Did you mean "planer boards" ?
Do tell. Still curious.
Well Rip, if you understand the other terminology.... (show quote)


wasn't being dismissive just trying to be helpful in describing what they are.

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Jan 9, 2021 08:07:04   #
teamskpr Loc: port isabel, tx
 
MAXIMO in jupiter fla are you familiar with bylandandsea in jupiter? would you recommend them as a business?

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