Salmon spawn in Upper Columbia river first time in 80 yrs.
Returntonow.net Was reading an article about how hemp wood is stronger than oak and stumbled upon this article about Native tribe taking salmon from below Coulie Dam and transplanting them in the upper river. They are multiplying!
JimRed
Loc: Coastal New Jersey, Belmar area
I was wondering how they got salmon, which spawn in the waters where they were spawned, to return after an 80 year break. Transporting spawners answers the question. The next generation will return and reestablish the run. Good job!
kandydisbar wrote:
Returntonow.net Was reading an article about how hemp wood is stronger than oak and stumbled upon this article about Native tribe taking salmon from below Coulie Dam and transplanting them in the upper river. They are multiplying!
That’s pretty awesome. I’ve heard, in the past, that many spawning salmon don’t quite make it back to those far reaches. They don’t have enough strength to continue when they encounter that dam and just die without spawning. I’m sure that’s gonna make a nice impact on the salmon population. Funny fish and game experts didn’t figure that one out. I know lots of natives on the rivers and they’re not ALL about getting drunk and selling fish.
kandydisbar wrote:
Returntonow.net Was reading an article about how hemp wood is stronger than oak and stumbled upon this article about Native tribe taking salmon from below Coulie Dam and transplanting them in the upper river. They are multiplying!
Great news, ocean run salmon on the upper Columbia. Not since 1939 with construction of Coulee dam. The Native Tribes still come to the River near Kettle Falls every year to pray for return of the salmon. Looks like it might be starting to work. Iknowthnewsibrightened my day
They would be taking them from below Chief Joseph Dam which is down river from Grand Coulee and it does not have a fish ladder. Any fish they transport and which spawn in Roosevelt would have to have fry taken back down below Chief Joe and released to get to the Pacific. I guess the salmon might be able to stay in Roosevelt and go on up the Columbia into Canada. Interesting and food for thought.
It's not that they do not have the strength, the problem is two dams, Chief Joseph and Grand Coulee which do not have fish ladders and they cannot get past them. The fish that get up that far are going up the Okanogan River, a few miles before Chief Joe, where they spawn. Certainly hope this is true as it will give another reason to fish Lake Roosevelt.
kandydisbar wrote:
Returntonow.net Was reading an article about how hemp wood is stronger than oak and stumbled upon this article about Native tribe taking salmon from below Coulie Dam and transplanting them in the upper river. They are multiplying!
I read the fish went up into the San Poil river that empties into the San Poil arm of the lake. 36 redds were counted in an 8 mile stretch. the salmon that returned were chinook salmon.
Well, don't get too excited about this. I talked to a biologist that relayed that the artificial "trucked" run ( 30 adults last summer) will swim to primarily Canada to spawn and the fry will come back down thru Roosevelt and the dams and some will survive the dams to the ocean. Then two years later net them again at Chief Joseph Dam--some returners, some newcomers--and truck them again to the top of Grand Coulee. The problem is that the tribes, in their zeal to protect the smolt coming back through Lake Roosevelt, are gill netting everything to protect the smolts. Walleyes, pike, bass, burbot, etc. I fish among the nets and fishermen witness dead fish of all species in nets and littering the bottom of the shallow bays. So the price we are paying for this ceremonial program is pretty stiff.
20mules wrote:
It's not that they do not have the strength, the problem is two dams, Chief Joseph and Grand Coulee which do not have fish ladders and they cannot get past them. The fish that get up that far are going up the Okanogan River, a few miles before Chief Joe, where they spawn. Certainly hope this is true as it will give another reason to fish Lake Roosevelt.
That kinda makes more sense to me. I’m pretty sure there aren’t many salmon older than those two dams and they were, obviously, spawned someplace.
Don’t want to see anybody killing fish unnecessarily. I thought a fish cannon system was in the works for Chief Joseph and Grand Coulee dams?
kandydisbar wrote:
Returntonow.net Was reading an article about how hemp wood is stronger than oak and stumbled upon this article about Native tribe taking salmon from below Coulie Dam and transplanting them in the upper river. They are multiplying!
There are no fish ladders around Grand Coulee Dam. To get the fish over the dam they would either need to construct ladders, continue trucking them or use a fish cannon to propel them over the dam. Whichever is used will be expensive.
DAMS the true cause of global warming . world wide we have cut off the earths circulation.... and she is overheating and choked out . stripe bass should have a bounty on them in the pacific coast salt and fresh waters....atlantic salmon dont die every spawn like pacific they are more like steelhead and can return multiple times. strioe bass hammer salmon fry they were brought from the atlantic they dont do as much damage to them.....our forrests in the pacific are christmas tree farms because no dead salmon to feed everything. If I was indian Id be so pissed off I would drink all the time also for what religion and greed and moronic ways of thinking did to the planet. Greed is The scurge of man, man is the scurge of earth
Scootn2nature wrote:
DAMS the true cause of global warming . world wide we have cut off the earths circulation.... and she is overheating and choked out . stripe bass should have a bounty on them in the pacific coast salt and fresh waters....atlantic salmon dont die every spawn like pacific they are more like steelhead and can return multiple times. strioe bass hammer salmon fry they were brought from the atlantic they dont do as much damage to them.....our forrests in the pacific are christmas tree farms because no dead salmon to feed everything. If I was indian Id be so pissed off I would drink all the time also for what religion and greed and moronic ways of thinking did to the planet. Greed is The scurge of man, man is the scurge of earth
DAMS the true cause of global warming . world wide... (
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Can’t argue with ya on that.
JimRed
Loc: Coastal New Jersey, Belmar area
Scootn2nature wrote:
DAMS the true cause of global warming . world wide we have cut off the earths circulation.... and she is overheating and choked out . stripe bass should have a bounty on them in the pacific coast salt and fresh waters....atlantic salmon dont die every spawn like pacific they are more like steelhead and can return multiple times. strioe bass hammer salmon fry they were brought from the atlantic they dont do as much damage to them.....our forrests in the pacific are christmas tree farms because no dead salmon to feed everything. If I was indian Id be so pissed off I would drink all the time also for what religion and greed and moronic ways of thinking did to the planet. Greed is The scurge of man, man is the scurge of earth
DAMS the true cause of global warming . world wide... (
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Sorry to disagree about warming and risk getting moved to the attic, but if every human was gone tomorrow the Earth’s climate would not be affected one bit. You are right about some of the localized effects like introducing non-native species and polluting or diverting waters, but if they cause warming, how did the Earth warm out of ice ages with little human activity over hundreds of millennia? The answer- natural cycles. Keep it clean, absolutely, but don’t expect any effect on the climate.
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