Braid with no leader
Nov 24, 2019 14:02:40 #
I have heard that throwing straight braid is less productive because the fish see it better, is there any truth to this in yous guys opinions
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by DONKEY_LEG
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by DONKEY_LEG
Nov 24, 2019 14:02:46 #
I always use a flouro leader unless I'm throwing topwater. That's only time I want straight braid to bait.
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by OneFishinFreak
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by OneFishinFreak
Nov 24, 2019 14:02:49 #
I fish dropshot with a leader, but beyond that, not really. Even Texas rigged I still tie straight to braid. It never really has had a negative impact on my fishing. But that’s just me.
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by dylan_in_japan
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by dylan_in_japan
Nov 24, 2019 14:02:55 #
I get made fun of all the time by my fishing buddies for throwing straight braid but I catch the same amount and often times more (sorry boys 😅) fish on our outings than they do. However there are other variables to that..
I will say that a fluoro/mono leader will inhibit a different action on your bait. And on some days that little difference in presentation could be what gets bit. What I'm trying to say is that it's less about fish seeing the line and more about the action of the bait based on the line it's tied to. Often times, a fluoro/mono leader will allow the bait to present itself how it should. For instance, a searchbait (or any bait for that matter) would run deeper on the retrieve with said leader as opposed to straight braid.
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by Rizzwan
I will say that a fluoro/mono leader will inhibit a different action on your bait. And on some days that little difference in presentation could be what gets bit. What I'm trying to say is that it's less about fish seeing the line and more about the action of the bait based on the line it's tied to. Often times, a fluoro/mono leader will allow the bait to present itself how it should. For instance, a searchbait (or any bait for that matter) would run deeper on the retrieve with said leader as opposed to straight braid.
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by Rizzwan
Nov 24, 2019 14:02:58 #
Makes sense, always thought the fish seeing line was crazy when ocean guys use metal leaders and metal umbrella set ups that a fish should see from space if they cared to look
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by DONKEY_LEG
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by DONKEY_LEG
Nov 24, 2019 14:03:02 #
It definitely matters, but you have to look at other fisheries instead of personal anecdotes you always get with these questions. If you're on Erie or something where the smallmouth only know clear, or even ultra clear water, not having a leader pretty much guarantees no fish. But if you're on a body of water that's typically not very clear, not necessarily chocolate milk, but stained, I don't think fluoro leaders will impact it as much. But there's plenty of other reasons to use fluoro beyond visibility. If you're around anything abrasive braid is not the answer.
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by TheSuperFluke
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by TheSuperFluke
Nov 24, 2019 14:03:21 #
I think the 'guarantee' of not catching braid-only fish in ultra clear waters is a tad far stretched 😅. I fish some crystal clear waters for smallmouth and have done alright using straight braid (8lb Berkley Fireline Ultra 8 Superline in Crystal). I could potentially see other colours of braided line being problematic in this setting but as far as my experience goes it has worked fine. Everything from dropshots, swimbaits and bottom crawling jigs. On the other hand, who knows how many weary bigguns I may have potentially missed out on 🤷♂️ and that's what truly matters..
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by Rizzwan
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by Rizzwan
Nov 24, 2019 14:03:26 #
I actually throw straight braid a lot, almost exclusively when i fish freshwater. I like the tight tension it gives me on hooksets and as long as you're using decent line at the right test ive never had it fail. I use the dark green color and normally fish murky waters it seems to work well. Only time i really use leaders is when I fish saltwater.
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by Basically__Pointless
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by Basically__Pointless
Nov 24, 2019 14:03:31 #
In the late summer, I was out fishing and was just wrecking them with a chatterbait, but then my leader broke off (along with my bait) and I forgot to bring extra line. I didn’t want to stop so I tied on another chatter straight braid and I caught my second best fish ever and another 4 fish. Water was pretty stained but not bad visibility. So bottom line the fish were turned on, it didn’t matter. I think it definitely helps especially if the fish were already finicky to have a leader. I suspect that since the bait I was using was a reaction bait that could be a factor as well.
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by Akimbobear
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by Akimbobear
Nov 24, 2019 14:05:04 #
Depends on what you're targeting. Some fish are line shy and some aren't. Supposedly they can't see fluorocarbon. Catfish could care less. Trout care a lot. You get the picture.
Nov 24, 2019 19:40:18 #
I don't think direct tie to braid affects catching fish. The real negative for no direct braid is you can't grab the line with you hand - it will cut you.
Nov 25, 2019 07:16:47 #
oldsalt wrote:
I don't think direct tie to braid affects catching fish. The real negative for no direct braid is you can't grab the line with you hand - it will cut you.
I always use Braid strait to the lures , but it seems to me the Braid is easy to get tangle , and it;s hell to untangle it , especially when fish are biting . How do you tie the braid to the leader anyway ?
Nov 25, 2019 07:19:57 #
Raw Dawg Ron
Loc: St. Petersburg, FL
Had three sharks on braid to steel leader and watched braid cut like butter when sharks tail swiped it! Not so impressed with braid especially the price and it cut my finger to the bone once too. Mono fan now a-days and rarely use braid.
Nov 25, 2019 09:28:14 #
"Tangles" - because braid is limp, must keep constant tension on it to avoid tangles. Wind knots will still occur occasionally when casting.
I don't attempt to tie braid to mono. Instead I use a barrel swivel as a connector - tieing each line to swwivel with improved clinch knot - has never failed me.
Shark fishermen usually use long steel leaders so that the main line never makes contact with the fish.
I don't attempt to tie braid to mono. Instead I use a barrel swivel as a connector - tieing each line to swwivel with improved clinch knot - has never failed me.
Shark fishermen usually use long steel leaders so that the main line never makes contact with the fish.
Nov 25, 2019 09:58:31 #
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