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May 24, 2023 21:12:51   #
Robert J Samples Loc: Round Rock, Texas
 
My family on the Samples side is and has been very tight lipped and talked little or nothing about past generations. I do not know if they just did not know, or deliberately chose to not reveal anything beyond what was absolutely required. I do not know if the secrecy was because they did not know the facts, or if they chose not to reveal anything.

As one example, my father mentioned that he thought he had a relative who was accidentally drown, along with his team of horses in the Red River because of a flash flood.
I believe the facts are this person was his mother’s father, making him Dad’s grandfather. Now I find it hard to believe he didn’t know he was related. Mr. Darnell’s drowning was the result of a flash flood that swept him and his horses and buggy away when he was attempting to cross the river.

Other information that could be considered vital, was why my great-grandfather was going to Indian Territory. No one ever mentioned that my grandfather more than likely homesteaded in Indian Territory and participated in one of the land rushes that drew many folks, and quite a few of them were from Texas. No one ever mentioned this possibility to me.

I have come across enough facts to cause me to believe very likely this happened. Here are some of the facts that I discovered. One of my aunts, Dovie, was born in Indian Territory and Uncle Joe Samples, the oldest of the children of Alexander and Sarah Samples was farming near Duncan, Oklahoma until perhaps the middle or late 1920s, before they decided to move back to Texas.

Part of the reason I believe this information is accurate is that I find it very likely there was a homesteader involvement because of Aunt Dovie’s being born there, and Grandfather’s suddenly raising enough money to purchase the farm that became the Samples home place. One needs to understand the environment. Cotton was the chief economic crop during this time, but the boll weevil was playing havoc of destroying cotton crops. Cattle were the next important cash generator, but there wasn’t enough land for a very large herd, nor was there enough money to pay to purchase feed.
Yes, if you said all this is pure fantasy, and you might be right. I have little proof other than what is offered above. It could be that folks who were native Texans, who went to Indian Territory and the returned to Texas may have been frowned upon may have been a consideration. Just Sayin…RJS

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May 25, 2023 10:07:45   #
Gordon Loc: Charleston South Carolina
 
Robert J Samples wrote:
My family on the Samples side is and has been very tight lipped and talked little or nothing about past generations. I do not know if they just did not know, or deliberately chose to not reveal anything beyond what was absolutely required. I do not know if the secrecy was because they did not know the facts, or if they chose not to reveal anything.

As one example, my father mentioned that he thought he had a relative who was accidentally drown, along with his team of horses in the Red River because of a flash flood.
I believe the facts are this person was his mother’s father, making him Dad’s grandfather. Now I find it hard to believe he didn’t know he was related. Mr. Darnell’s drowning was the result of a flash flood that swept him and his horses and buggy away when he was attempting to cross the river.

Other information that could be considered vital, was why my great-grandfather was going to Indian Territory. No one ever mentioned that my grandfather more than likely homesteaded in Indian Territory and participated in one of the land rushes that drew many folks, and quite a few of them were from Texas. No one ever mentioned this possibility to me.

I have come across enough facts to cause me to believe very likely this happened. Here are some of the facts that I discovered. One of my aunts, Dovie, was born in Indian Territory and Uncle Joe Samples, the oldest of the children of Alexander and Sarah Samples was farming near Duncan, Oklahoma until perhaps the middle or late 1920s, before they decided to move back to Texas.

Part of the reason I believe this information is accurate is that I find it very likely there was a homesteader involvement because of Aunt Dovie’s being born there, and Grandfather’s suddenly raising enough money to purchase the farm that became the Samples home place. One needs to understand the environment. Cotton was the chief economic crop during this time, but the boll weevil was playing havoc of destroying cotton crops. Cattle were the next important cash generator, but there wasn’t enough land for a very large herd, nor was there enough money to pay to purchase feed.
Yes, if you said all this is pure fantasy, and you might be right. I have little proof other than what is offered above. It could be that folks who were native Texans, who went to Indian Territory and the returned to Texas may have been frowned upon may have been a consideration. Just Sayin…RJS
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Very interesting Robert. Now if you could find an old family bible you might could turn fantasy into reality. Back in those days everything and family names were written in the bible.

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May 25, 2023 10:35:44   #
Robert J Samples Loc: Round Rock, Texas
 
Gordon: Yes, that would be a terrific help. But I have the names of husbands and wives back as far as grandparents.
I am the only living person of my generation. The only living first cousin besides me died last year. Just Sayin...RJS

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May 25, 2023 21:02:52   #
Robert J Samples Loc: Round Rock, Texas
 
Gordon: Come to think of it, the family bible for the Cannon (my mother's side) was given to my sister who died about ten years ago, but that does not have any information on the Samples.

I will query my niece for that Bible and some of my Samples' second cousins about any old Bible they might posess. You might be on to something there. Just Sayin...RJS

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May 25, 2023 22:10:37   #
Gordon Loc: Charleston South Carolina
 
Robert J Samples wrote:
Gordon: Come to think of it, the family bible for the Cannon (my mother's side) was given to my sister who died about ten years ago, but that does not have any information on the Samples.

I will query my niece for that Bible and some of my Samples' second cousins about any old Bible they might posess. You might be on to something there. Just Sayin...RJS



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May 25, 2023 22:47:03   #
bottomcoon Loc: Tahlequah, oklahoma
 
Robert J Samples wrote:
My family on the Samples side is and has been very tight lipped and talked little or nothing about past generations. I do not know if they just did not know, or deliberately chose to not reveal anything beyond what was absolutely required. I do not know if the secrecy was because they did not know the facts, or if they chose not to reveal anything.

As one example, my father mentioned that he thought he had a relative who was accidentally drown, along with his team of horses in the Red River because of a flash flood.
I believe the facts are this person was his mother’s father, making him Dad’s grandfather. Now I find it hard to believe he didn’t know he was related. Mr. Darnell’s drowning was the result of a flash flood that swept him and his horses and buggy away when he was attempting to cross the river.

Other information that could be considered vital, was why my great-grandfather was going to Indian Territory. No one ever mentioned that my grandfather more than likely homesteaded in Indian Territory and participated in one of the land rushes that drew many folks, and quite a few of them were from Texas. No one ever mentioned this possibility to me.

I have come across enough facts to cause me to believe very likely this happened. Here are some of the facts that I discovered. One of my aunts, Dovie, was born in Indian Territory and Uncle Joe Samples, the oldest of the children of Alexander and Sarah Samples was farming near Duncan, Oklahoma until perhaps the middle or late 1920s, before they decided to move back to Texas.

Part of the reason I believe this information is accurate is that I find it very likely there was a homesteader involvement because of Aunt Dovie’s being born there, and Grandfather’s suddenly raising enough money to purchase the farm that became the Samples home place. One needs to understand the environment. Cotton was the chief economic crop during this time, but the boll weevil was playing havoc of destroying cotton crops. Cattle were the next important cash generator, but there wasn’t enough land for a very large herd, nor was there enough money to pay to purchase feed.
Yes, if you said all this is pure fantasy, and you might be right. I have little proof other than what is offered above. It could be that folks who were native Texans, who went to Indian Territory and the returned to Texas may have been frowned upon may have been a consideration. Just Sayin…RJS
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Hello RJS. My grandfather, last name Williams, was farming cotton near Duncan when my father was born in 1926. All the family facts I ever heard was the Williams family had lived & farmed the Duncan area for years. My grandmother, maiden name Hood, had moved from Texas to the Duncan area around 1915. Her father & brothers were carpenters. My grandmother met & married my grandfather when she was 14. Times have changed. Tight lines.

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May 26, 2023 06:22:19   #
Robert J Samples Loc: Round Rock, Texas
 
Hello Bottom Coon: Things are different by a long shot from then till now. I would expect as many Texans as any other state participated in the Oklahoma land rush. I believe there is strong evidence my family did. Just Sayin...RJS

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May 31, 2023 22:25:22   #
Robert J Samples Loc: Round Rock, Texas
 
Bottom Coon: I have noticed, perhaps by accident that there seemed to be a lot of prejudices in those time. It is just my own guessing that this might have been a reason for keeping 'tight lips' about your own business, and not to pry into others affairs.
Remember, during the Civil War there were over 100 men rounded up as Union spies or sympathicisers, and court was help in Gainesville and arout 20, or so, were hung! Later, a lot of these Union people were found due to local fueds! Just Sayin...RJS

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