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Jan 24, 2023 12:55:53   #
aha Toro
 
That's it! I'm gonna run outside and jump off the curb; but, I will look all directions first...

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Jan 24, 2023 14:54:59   #
SALMON ADDICT Loc: Snohomish county Washington
 
DC wrote:
well that study would explain why there are no fishermen over the age of 50 they have all died out from the effect of eating the fish they caught....ok I know there are many on this site alone who are fishermen and claim to be in their 70's 80's and some even 90+ but can you believe them? after all they claim to be fishermen and fishermen are known to stretch the truth they must really be in their 30's and just look old because they have been eating fish


The study was probably done in California were everything causes cancer

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Jan 24, 2023 14:57:04   #
Bob Browning Loc: Cascade, Wisconsin
 
DC wrote:
good point but I'll gladly give up eating kale instead of fish. I think the truth is everything we eat is bad for us if we examine it closely enough and eat enough of it. remember back in the 70's or so that we were told saccrine caused cancer in rats so it was unsafe to drink diet soda? then we found out to get to the level that the rats were exposed to a perso would have to drink something like 2 bath tups full of diet soda each day. so many of these studies are unrealistic in the risk of exposure in the real world
good point but I'll gladly give up eating kale ins... (show quote)


I recall in the 60's we were told Jellied Cranberries would cause Cancer, later found out we would have to eat a boxcar full every year for it to be bad. The world may be getting warmer but we are told we can fix it. If they can't control the weather how can they control the atmosphere? Science seems like a best quess at best. You will find all kinds of evidence on either side. Flip a coin, when our number is up we are going no matter what we do.

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Jan 24, 2023 15:36:54   #
Ted A Loc: Eastern Washington
 
PFAS family of chemicals are used in fire retardants. I believe that the chemicals they drop on fires as retardants are in this family. They are all over and very often dropped in high elevations where we get much of our water from. Fish certainly will get exposed as well as deer, elk bear, chipmonks, squirrels, birds, etc.

I think we'll either have to live with it or die as a result.


Anyway, our life expectancies are increasing so I guess we've adapted to live with the results of advanced aging.

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Jan 24, 2023 15:52:08   #
sawheeler52 Loc: Escondido, CA
 
Ted A wrote:
PFAS family of chemicals are used in fire retardants. I believe that the chemicals they drop on fires as retardants are in this family. They are all over and very often dropped in high elevations where we get much of our water from. Fish certainly will get exposed as well as deer, elk bear, chipmonks, squirrels, birds, etc.

I think we'll either have to live with it or die as a result.


Anyway, our life expectancies are increasing so I guess we've adapted to live with the results of advanced aging.
PFAS family of chemicals are used in fire retardan... (show quote)


Just to add to the thread; non-stick cooking pans (e.g. Teflon) are a direct to consumer PFAS ingestion source. Ever consider when your pan scratches, where did that Teflon go? It's in your blood. It's stainless steel or cast iron for me. To each his own. Tight lines.

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Jan 24, 2023 16:16:03   #
Barnacles Loc: Northern California
 
Who did the research showing that fish are dangerous to eat? PETA?

I adhere to the "Hook 'em and cook 'em" philosophy.

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Jan 24, 2023 16:36:57   #
sawheeler52 Loc: Escondido, CA
 
Barnacles wrote:
Who did the research showing that fish are dangerous to eat? PETA?

I adhere to the "Hook 'em and cook 'em" philosophy.


I can not disagree with you. That's why "to each his own." Respected.
As a related aside, most of the early testing was done by the US government, largely the Army which detected it on US bases.

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Jan 24, 2023 17:16:18   #
nutz4fish Loc: Colchester, CT
 
DC wrote:
well that study would explain why there are no fishermen over the age of 50 they have all died out from the effect of eating the fish they caught....ok I know there are many on this site alone who are fishermen and claim to be in their 70's 80's and some even 90+ but can you believe them? after all they claim to be fishermen and fishermen are known to stretch the truth they must really be in their 30's and just look old because they have been eating fish


Yeah, DC... When I think I'm sleeping, I'm maybe 30. Maybe that's real, and I'm dreaming right now ? Who knows for certain.......

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Jan 24, 2023 17:19:56   #
fishyaker Loc: NW Michigan (Lower Peninsula)
 
Growing up in the Great Lakes region as a child, we ate locally caught fish nearly once per day for many decades...sometimes twice, and occasionally 3 times a day! Mostly deep fried, often smoked and now and then we boiled it like lobster. By conservative estimate, I know for a fact that between 1969 and 2020 I have personally consumed over 3 tons of fresh Great Lakes fish fillets...including northern pike, rock bass, smallmouth bass, yellow perch, bluegill, bullheads, carp, suckers, brook trout, brown trout, rainbow trout, lake trout, whitefish, cisco and 2 species of Great Lakes salmon. We also ate a lot of big crayfish. As a favor to a future study, I should probably donate my body for use to see what amounts of nasty chemicals I have been hoarding all these years. Who knows, I just might be a walking weather barometer! People tell me I have a luminescent personality, which might explain why I enjoy fishing at night so much too!

Ultimately, I'm not too worried about it all. My body is not something I will be keeping after my duty as a visiting tourist of planet earth is completed. My forever soul will be headed for that great big fish fry in the sky! I hope they have tarter sauce in heaven because that's my favorite topping.

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Jan 24, 2023 17:21:03   #
Dign
 
A lot of fish I eat come from Game Commission lakes and some water supply reservoirs, looks like they should be healthy ? Also wondering about the bags of catfish for sale in grocery stores. I have eaten some of those catfish nuggets that said were farm raised in the U.S. . But I don't think I'd try any of those Tilapia raised in China, I've heard some nasty stuff about them..

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Jan 24, 2023 18:18:26   #
plumbob Loc: New Windsor Maryland
 
sawheeler52 wrote:
I can not disagree with you. That's why "to each his own." Respected.
As a related aside, most of the early testing was done by the US government, largely the Army which detected it on US bases.


And the Government buys from who? Yep lowest bidder.

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Jan 24, 2023 21:19:34   #
Scudrnr Loc: Hancock, Wisconsin
 
Slyclops wrote:
To Web Master, I know this is not Tomales Bay related but thought is might be of interest to all fishermen. Delete if you don’t think it appropriate…


SCIENCE / FISH
Study May Turn You Off Fish Caught in US Lakes, Rivers.
Eating one freshwater fish is like drinking contaminated water for a month, study says

By Rob Quinn, Newser Staff
Posted Jan 18, 2023 12:49 PM CST

'Astounding' Levels of 'Forever Chemicals' Found in US Fish
Anglers in American lakes and rivers should think about throwing their catches back, researchers say.
Scientists seeking to limit human exposure to "forever chemicals"—which don't break down easily in the environment—have found alarming levels of contamination in fish caught in America's lakes and rivers. According to a study published in the journal Environmental Research, eating a single freshwater fish brings as much exposure to the toxic chemicals as drinking contaminated water for a month. The researchers examined 500 samples of fish collected under an EPA monitoring system between 2013 and 2015 and found that only one did not contain PFOS, short for perfluorooctane sulfonic acid; it's a toxin linked to health issues including cancer, liver damage, and immune system problems that was phased out of production here about 20 years ago.

“The levels of PFOS found in freshwater fish often exceeded an astounding 8,000 parts per trillion," compared to the 70 parts per trillion the EPA currently allows in drinking water, study coauthor David Andrews tells CNN. "You’d have to drink an incredible amount of water—we estimate a month of contaminated water—to get the same exposure as you would from a single serving of freshwater fish." He says anglers should strongly consider throwing their catches back instead of bringing them home for dinner. Last year, the EPA said the permitted level of PFOS in drinking water should be lowered to 0.02 parts per trillion. PFOS are part of a group of compounds calls PFAS introduced in the 1940s and used in products including nonstick coatings and firefighting foam.

The chemicals were found in fish across the US, including areas far from cities and factories. PFOS levels were highest in the Great Lakes. The Environmental Working Group, which led the research, has an interactive map of where the contaminated fish were caught. Andrews tells AFP that he grew up catching and eating fish, but he can "no longer look at a fish without thinking about PFAS contamination." The findings, he says, are "particularly concerning due to the impact on disadvantaged communities that consume fish as a source protein or for social or cultural reasons."
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As doctor daughter says: always look for the source of funding for the study. It will very likely have an effect on the outcome.

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Jan 24, 2023 21:43:15   #
sawheeler52 Loc: Escondido, CA
 
Scudrnr wrote:
As doctor daughter says: always look for the source of funding for the study. It will very likely have an effect on the outcome.


As a 25+ year bio-pharmaceutical manufacturing professional; I can only agree with doctor daughter comment. Thanks for sharing. I find it generally is quite true.
However; are you saying that some (probably corporate/government/other) entity had interest in documenting the elevated levels of 'forever chemicals' now in our bodies and food chain? From my experience, it's the other way around. The biased clinical trials are designed to document the 'safety' (i.e. Low levels). Just a thought. Tight Lines. Getting ready for San Diego March fishing. Almost no skill required.

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Jan 24, 2023 21:55:48   #
Barnacles Loc: Northern California
 
I can almost smell the cost of fishing licenses going up because of a "clean water surcharge".

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Jan 24, 2023 23:29:12   #
nutz4fish Loc: Colchester, CT
 
Barnacles wrote:
I can almost smell the cost of fishing licenses going up because of a "clean water surcharge".


Barn.......You're ahead of the curve again. Brilliant anticipation.

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