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Jan 23, 2023 14:30:58   #
Slyclops Loc: Santa Rosa, CA
 
To Web Master, I know this is not Tomales Bay related but thought is might be of interest to all fishermen. Delete if you don’t think it appropriate…


SCIENCE / FISH
Study May Turn You Off Fish Caught in US Lakes, Rivers.
Eating one freshwater fish is like drinking contaminated water for a month, study says

By Rob Quinn, Newser Staff
Posted Jan 18, 2023 12:49 PM CST

'Astounding' Levels of 'Forever Chemicals' Found in US Fish
Anglers in American lakes and rivers should think about throwing their catches back, researchers say.
Scientists seeking to limit human exposure to "forever chemicals"—which don't break down easily in the environment—have found alarming levels of contamination in fish caught in America's lakes and rivers. According to a study published in the journal Environmental Research, eating a single freshwater fish brings as much exposure to the toxic chemicals as drinking contaminated water for a month. The researchers examined 500 samples of fish collected under an EPA monitoring system between 2013 and 2015 and found that only one did not contain PFOS, short for perfluorooctane sulfonic acid; it's a toxin linked to health issues including cancer, liver damage, and immune system problems that was phased out of production here about 20 years ago.

“The levels of PFOS found in freshwater fish often exceeded an astounding 8,000 parts per trillion," compared to the 70 parts per trillion the EPA currently allows in drinking water, study coauthor David Andrews tells CNN. "You’d have to drink an incredible amount of water—we estimate a month of contaminated water—to get the same exposure as you would from a single serving of freshwater fish." He says anglers should strongly consider throwing their catches back instead of bringing them home for dinner. Last year, the EPA said the permitted level of PFOS in drinking water should be lowered to 0.02 parts per trillion. PFOS are part of a group of compounds calls PFAS introduced in the 1940s and used in products including nonstick coatings and firefighting foam.

The chemicals were found in fish across the US, including areas far from cities and factories. PFOS levels were highest in the Great Lakes. The Environmental Working Group, which led the research, has an interactive map of where the contaminated fish were caught. Andrews tells AFP that he grew up catching and eating fish, but he can "no longer look at a fish without thinking about PFAS contamination." The findings, he says, are "particularly concerning due to the impact on disadvantaged communities that consume fish as a source protein or for social or cultural reasons."

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Jan 23, 2023 15:19:19   #
FFSTBASE Loc: SULPHUR LA
 
I guess I should be dead than, been eating fresh and salt water fish all my life,,,,hmmmmmmmmmm

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Jan 23, 2023 15:45:55   #
charlykilo Loc: Garden Valley Ca
 
Slyclops wrote:
To Web Master, I know this is not Tomales Bay related but thought is might be of interest to all fishermen. Delete if you don’t think it appropriate…


SCIENCE / FISH
Study May Turn You Off Fish Caught in US Lakes, Rivers.
Eating one freshwater fish is like drinking contaminated water for a month, study says

By Rob Quinn, Newser Staff
Posted Jan 18, 2023 12:49 PM CST

'Astounding' Levels of 'Forever Chemicals' Found in US Fish
Anglers in American lakes and rivers should think about throwing their catches back, researchers say.
Scientists seeking to limit human exposure to "forever chemicals"—which don't break down easily in the environment—have found alarming levels of contamination in fish caught in America's lakes and rivers. According to a study published in the journal Environmental Research, eating a single freshwater fish brings as much exposure to the toxic chemicals as drinking contaminated water for a month. The researchers examined 500 samples of fish collected under an EPA monitoring system between 2013 and 2015 and found that only one did not contain PFOS, short for perfluorooctane sulfonic acid; it's a toxin linked to health issues including cancer, liver damage, and immune system problems that was phased out of production here about 20 years ago.

“The levels of PFOS found in freshwater fish often exceeded an astounding 8,000 parts per trillion," compared to the 70 parts per trillion the EPA currently allows in drinking water, study coauthor David Andrews tells CNN. "You’d have to drink an incredible amount of water—we estimate a month of contaminated water—to get the same exposure as you would from a single serving of freshwater fish." He says anglers should strongly consider throwing their catches back instead of bringing them home for dinner. Last year, the EPA said the permitted level of PFOS in drinking water should be lowered to 0.02 parts per trillion. PFOS are part of a group of compounds calls PFAS introduced in the 1940s and used in products including nonstick coatings and firefighting foam.

The chemicals were found in fish across the US, including areas far from cities and factories. PFOS levels were highest in the Great Lakes. The Environmental Working Group, which led the research, has an interactive map of where the contaminated fish were caught. Andrews tells AFP that he grew up catching and eating fish, but he can "no longer look at a fish without thinking about PFAS contamination." The findings, he says, are "particularly concerning due to the impact on disadvantaged communities that consume fish as a source protein or for social or cultural reasons."
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What is the diagnoses of a breath of air in the city?

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Jan 23, 2023 16:44:59   #
OJdidit Loc: Oak Creek Wisconsin
 
charlykilo wrote:
What is the diagnoses of a breath of air in the city?


Great question Charly!

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Jan 23, 2023 18:05:09   #
Jeremy Loc: Oregon sometimes
 
charlykilo wrote:
What is the diagnoses of a breath of air in the city?


Which one? Research each state some don't much care about it and others do.

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Jan 23, 2023 18:08:24   #
Jeremy Loc: Oregon sometimes
 
Many do not want to except this as fact. Claim they ate em their entire life. Well fine and dandy but if end up with Cancer or other diseases and claim all this has nothing to do with it I guess you must think something else caused it. This recent onslaught of information on the topic is nothing new. Ignoring it is nothing new either.

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Jan 23, 2023 18:31:42   #
plumbob Loc: New Windsor Maryland
 
Slyclops wrote:
To Web Master, I know this is not Tomales Bay related but thought is might be of interest to all fishermen. Delete if you don’t think it appropriate…


SCIENCE / FISH
Study May Turn You Off Fish Caught in US Lakes, Rivers.
Eating one freshwater fish is like drinking contaminated water for a month, study says

By Rob Quinn, Newser Staff
Posted Jan 18, 2023 12:49 PM CST

'Astounding' Levels of 'Forever Chemicals' Found in US Fish
Anglers in American lakes and rivers should think about throwing their catches back, researchers say.
Scientists seeking to limit human exposure to "forever chemicals"—which don't break down easily in the environment—have found alarming levels of contamination in fish caught in America's lakes and rivers. According to a study published in the journal Environmental Research, eating a single freshwater fish brings as much exposure to the toxic chemicals as drinking contaminated water for a month. The researchers examined 500 samples of fish collected under an EPA monitoring system between 2013 and 2015 and found that only one did not contain PFOS, short for perfluorooctane sulfonic acid; it's a toxin linked to health issues including cancer, liver damage, and immune system problems that was phased out of production here about 20 years ago.

“The levels of PFOS found in freshwater fish often exceeded an astounding 8,000 parts per trillion," compared to the 70 parts per trillion the EPA currently allows in drinking water, study coauthor David Andrews tells CNN. "You’d have to drink an incredible amount of water—we estimate a month of contaminated water—to get the same exposure as you would from a single serving of freshwater fish." He says anglers should strongly consider throwing their catches back instead of bringing them home for dinner. Last year, the EPA said the permitted level of PFOS in drinking water should be lowered to 0.02 parts per trillion. PFOS are part of a group of compounds calls PFAS introduced in the 1940s and used in products including nonstick coatings and firefighting foam.

The chemicals were found in fish across the US, including areas far from cities and factories. PFOS levels were highest in the Great Lakes. The Environmental Working Group, which led the research, has an interactive map of where the contaminated fish were caught. Andrews tells AFP that he grew up catching and eating fish, but he can "no longer look at a fish without thinking about PFAS contamination." The findings, he says, are "particularly concerning due to the impact on disadvantaged communities that consume fish as a source protein or for social or cultural reasons."
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Nothing new being said here Sly. Subject has been hashed around quite a few times. If it isn't fish it's beef. If it isn't beef it's E.coli in the vegetables. Remember the scare we were served on eating eggs?

For me it's moderation of what is consumed. Surely not eating fish every day nor eggs. Besides we all know the bottom line anyway.

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Jan 23, 2023 20:18:59   #
DC Loc: Washington state
 
well that study would explain why there are no fishermen over the age of 50 they have all died out from the effect of eating the fish they caught....ok I know there are many on this site alone who are fishermen and claim to be in their 70's 80's and some even 90+ but can you believe them? after all they claim to be fishermen and fishermen are known to stretch the truth they must really be in their 30's and just look old because they have been eating fish

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Jan 23, 2023 20:27:01   #
charlykilo Loc: Garden Valley Ca
 
DC wrote:
well that study would explain why there are no fishermen over the age of 50 they have all died out from the effect of eating the fish they caught....ok I know there are many on this site alone who are fishermen and claim to be in their 70's 80's and some even 90+ but can you believe them? after all they claim to be fishermen and fishermen are known to stretch the truth they must really be in their 30's and just look old because they have been eating fish



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Jan 23, 2023 21:21:43   #
dbed Loc: Brock, Nebraska southeast Ne.
 
75 years old I catch a fish big enough to eat I'm gonna eat it

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Jan 23, 2023 21:31:40   #
FishermanLeeSonoma
 
Many issues and questions about these reports but I do read and keep check. I like fishing and occasionally catching. If I am in the mood, I keep fish to share and eat but I try not to overdo anything, whether it's eating fish, eating beef, or whatever. That's my view.

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Jan 24, 2023 00:56:32   #
sawheeler52 Loc: San Diego, CA
 
Slyclops wrote:
To Web Master, I know this is not Tomales Bay related but thought is might be of interest to all fishermen. Delete if you don’t think it appropriate…


SCIENCE / FISH
Study May Turn You Off Fish Caught in US Lakes, Rivers.
Eating one freshwater fish is like drinking contaminated water for a month, study says

By Rob Quinn, Newser Staff
Posted Jan 18, 2023 12:49 PM CST

'Astounding' Levels of 'Forever Chemicals' Found in US Fish
Anglers in American lakes and rivers should think about throwing their catches back, researchers say.
Scientists seeking to limit human exposure to "forever chemicals"—which don't break down easily in the environment—have found alarming levels of contamination in fish caught in America's lakes and rivers. According to a study published in the journal Environmental Research, eating a single freshwater fish brings as much exposure to the toxic chemicals as drinking contaminated water for a month. The researchers examined 500 samples of fish collected under an EPA monitoring system between 2013 and 2015 and found that only one did not contain PFOS, short for perfluorooctane sulfonic acid; it's a toxin linked to health issues including cancer, liver damage, and immune system problems that was phased out of production here about 20 years ago.

“The levels of PFOS found in freshwater fish often exceeded an astounding 8,000 parts per trillion," compared to the 70 parts per trillion the EPA currently allows in drinking water, study coauthor David Andrews tells CNN. "You’d have to drink an incredible amount of water—we estimate a month of contaminated water—to get the same exposure as you would from a single serving of freshwater fish." He says anglers should strongly consider throwing their catches back instead of bringing them home for dinner. Last year, the EPA said the permitted level of PFOS in drinking water should be lowered to 0.02 parts per trillion. PFOS are part of a group of compounds calls PFAS introduced in the 1940s and used in products including nonstick coatings and firefighting foam.

The chemicals were found in fish across the US, including areas far from cities and factories. PFOS levels were highest in the Great Lakes. The Environmental Working Group, which led the research, has an interactive map of where the contaminated fish were caught. Andrews tells AFP that he grew up catching and eating fish, but he can "no longer look at a fish without thinking about PFAS contamination." The findings, he says, are "particularly concerning due to the impact on disadvantaged communities that consume fish as a source protein or for social or cultural reasons."
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As a related aside...As in any clinical study, a 0% (PFAS) baseline needed to be established to compare to current. The only place they were able able to find 0% PFAS was in frozen blood samples from veterans of the Korean War. PFAS/PFOS and micro-plastics are real. To each, his own.

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Jan 24, 2023 10:42:22   #
bapabear Loc: Blaine, Washington
 
Just curious, What is contaminated water? Is it anything not distilled or is it yellow and from stock yard pools. I found no definition in the article. All kidding aside, what is safe to eat? even kale has minerals from the soil. Not eating will definitely kill you.

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Jan 24, 2023 11:22:37   #
DC Loc: Washington state
 
bapabear wrote:
Just curious, What is contaminated water? Is it anything not distilled or is it yellow and from stock yard pools. I found no definition in the article. All kidding aside, what is safe to eat? even kale has minerals from the soil. Not eating will definitely kill you.


good point but I'll gladly give up eating kale instead of fish. I think the truth is everything we eat is bad for us if we examine it closely enough and eat enough of it. remember back in the 70's or so that we were told saccrine caused cancer in rats so it was unsafe to drink diet soda? then we found out to get to the level that the rats were exposed to a perso would have to drink something like 2 bath tups full of diet soda each day. so many of these studies are unrealistic in the risk of exposure in the real world

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Jan 24, 2023 11:34:05   #
Lockman54 Loc: Alliance,Oh
 
Slyclops wrote:
To Web Master, I know this is not Tomales Bay related but thought is might be of interest to all fishermen. Delete if you don’t think it appropriate…


SCIENCE / FISH
Study May Turn You Off Fish Caught in US Lakes, Rivers.
Eating one freshwater fish is like drinking contaminated water for a month, study says

By Rob Quinn, Newser Staff
Posted Jan 18, 2023 12:49 PM CST

'Astounding' Levels of 'Forever Chemicals' Found in US Fish
Anglers in American lakes and rivers should think about throwing their catches back, researchers say.
Scientists seeking to limit human exposure to "forever chemicals"—which don't break down easily in the environment—have found alarming levels of contamination in fish caught in America's lakes and rivers. According to a study published in the journal Environmental Research, eating a single freshwater fish brings as much exposure to the toxic chemicals as drinking contaminated water for a month. The researchers examined 500 samples of fish collected under an EPA monitoring system between 2013 and 2015 and found that only one did not contain PFOS, short for perfluorooctane sulfonic acid; it's a toxin linked to health issues including cancer, liver damage, and immune system problems that was phased out of production here about 20 years ago.

“The levels of PFOS found in freshwater fish often exceeded an astounding 8,000 parts per trillion," compared to the 70 parts per trillion the EPA currently allows in drinking water, study coauthor David Andrews tells CNN. "You’d have to drink an incredible amount of water—we estimate a month of contaminated water—to get the same exposure as you would from a single serving of freshwater fish." He says anglers should strongly consider throwing their catches back instead of bringing them home for dinner. Last year, the EPA said the permitted level of PFOS in drinking water should be lowered to 0.02 parts per trillion. PFOS are part of a group of compounds calls PFAS introduced in the 1940s and used in products including nonstick coatings and firefighting foam.

The chemicals were found in fish across the US, including areas far from cities and factories. PFOS levels were highest in the Great Lakes. The Environmental Working Group, which led the research, has an interactive map of where the contaminated fish were caught. Andrews tells AFP that he grew up catching and eating fish, but he can "no longer look at a fish without thinking about PFAS contamination." The findings, he says, are "particularly concerning due to the impact on disadvantaged communities that consume fish as a source protein or for social or cultural reasons."
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Probably safer to eat the fish than the stuff you buy in the grocery store. You about have to carry a big book to look up all the ingredients on the labels. (all the junk they put in the food)

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